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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Ersatz Electrical Engineer Lemon-O
writes:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>'I might add that if Pastor
Wilson stopped living in his home, rented the whole thing out to students and
moved in with a lady down the street you of all people would be the leader in
developing a whole campaign of indignation that would make the Spanish
Inquisition look like “Who Wants to be a Millionaire.”'</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=3></FONT><BR> </DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Nick does not
pretend to be a Christian nor to espouse all of its ethical proscriptions.
Cultmaster Douglas Wilson does <FONT color=#ff0000>pretend</FONT> to be
such. One thing that is quite revealing, however, in
Wilson's case was his behavior before and after demanding and receiving
obedience to his demand that two former employees of Logos School resign
after adultery between them was discovered. The circumstances forced a
third member of the Logos School staff to resign. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>I do not object <EM>per se</EM> to Wilson's
conquests; it is his hypocrisy and dishonesty in claiming he is a Professional
Christian Leader but his ignoring of some very fundamental Christian Ethical
proscriptions, and also ignoring such while demanding that others who have
displeased him follow them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Lemon-O further writes:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> "Maybe it's time to shut this
site down. Maybe it's time to do what someone, <FONT
color=#000000>[sic]</FONT> I respect, <FONT color=#000000>[sic]</FONT> said,
..."Live and let live". Is this the standard we should
follow?"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Is it stupidity and/or just ignorance based
hubris, Lemon-O, that causes you to forget the following Christ Church Cult
dicta that is anything but "Live and let live" but would result in the death of
most of the world's human population?</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>From <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Credenda/Agenda</I> (Christ Church Cult
Official Organ), by Gregory Dickison </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><A
href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A></P>
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style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"The<B> civil magistrate</B> is the minister of
God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Rom.</st1:country-region></st1:place> 13:4). God has not left his
civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures
set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for
example, include <B>premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery,
bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's
parents</B>..."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of
these offenses is punishable by death, with the occasional exception of murder.
The magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians
believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that the
"harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the
result of the <B>mistaken belief</B> that the Old Testament has no further
application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too
often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. <B>This sin is called
pity.</B>"</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><I><FONT size=3>"If your brother, the son of your mother,
your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your
own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . .
you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor
shall you spare him or conceal him; </FONT></I><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">but you shall
surely kill him</SPAN></I></B><FONT size=3><I>..."</I> </FONT></FONT></P>
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style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><I><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"If two men fight together, and the wife of one
draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and
puts out the hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her
hand; your eye shall not pity her..." </FONT></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>God commands the judge to evaluate the
<I>crime</I> rather than the criminal. </FONT><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red">If the crime is one for which God requires
death, then death <I><U>must </U></I>be the punishment.</SPAN></B><FONT size=3>
Your eye <I>shall not pity</I>. <B>Neither is the repentance of the accused
relevant to the imposition of the sentence.</B> </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an
option where God has decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's minister,
is to faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not man's... This
means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the bounds
which God has established for us."</FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"><FONT
face=Verdana>heirdoug@netscape.net</FONT></A><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><FONT
face=Verdana>kjajmix1@msn.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"><FONT
face=Verdana>heirdoug@netscape.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Verdana>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net"><FONT
face=Verdana>nickgier@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:45 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Subject: [Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my
business? (update)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Verdana>> <BR>> Keely
Yaps in:<BR>> “I have several suggestions for what you call it<BR>> when a
supposed Christian acts like a preening<BR>> sixth-grade bully. You're
being an ass, Farris.”<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> We have now heard from the
resident theologian here on Blind 2020. <BR>> Keely, check out paragraph
3.<BR>> <BR>> I might add that if Pastor Wilson stopped living in his
home, rented <BR>> the whole thing out to students and moved in with a lady
down the <BR>> street you of all people would be the leader in developing a
whole <BR>> campaign of indignation that would make the Spanish Inquisition
look <BR>> like “Who Wants to be a Millionaire.”<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Carl wrote:<BR>> "I'd personally call it no one else's business."<BR>>
<BR>> And, Sunil wrote:<BR>> "You've been on this for a couple of weeks
now,<BR>> and it's still not your business, not my business, and<BR>> not
the business of anyone on V2020 except Nick,<BR>> and perhaps his friend,
should she exist and should<BR>> she be on this listserve."<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> And, Saundra wrote:<BR>> "As usual, Sunil & Carl are spot on,
but for the rest<BR>> of us, let heirdog's post serve as a reminder
that<BR>> Jealousy, the Green-Eyed Monster, really is incredibly<BR>>
ugly."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I am very glad that you all are trying to
define morality here on Blind <BR>> 2020 but what standard shall we use to
say what is and isn't some one <BR>> else's business? We all want to
participate in the standard defining <BR>> exercise and we need to be all
inclusive so that no one is left out.<BR>> <BR>> For the longest time I
have been posting statements that some find <BR>> offensive and some find
funny. It seems from this vast difference of <BR>> opinion that there is no
moral standard by which we can judge one and <BR>> other's comments. Saundra
calls me jealous and ugly. How does one make <BR>> an absolute statement such
as thiat?<BR>> <BR>> I have read that some posters have "crossed the line"
when it comes to <BR>> saying things. By what unwritten law or code of
conduct do we judge <BR>> where the line is? And who is the policeman of
"line crossing"? Is it <BR>> J. Ford with her online dictionary? Is it Wayne
Fox and his <BR>> multicolored Bible Google? Or is it Keely Mix with her
cutting wit and <BR>> "I am innocent but you are guilty" way of putting
things.<BR>> <BR>> Tom-Tom says, by his posts and his blog, that it is OK
to re-publish <BR>> the addresses of those he thinks are breaking a zoning
code. Isn't what <BR>> they do in the privacy of their own home only "their
business"? What <BR>> gives him the "right" to do this? Has he crossed the
mystic "line"?<BR>> <BR>> What gives J. " :] " Ford the OK to publish
false or misleading <BR>> information about a local developer, with the
intent to do public harm <BR>> to someone from Christ Church? But when
someone makes an embarrassing <BR>> statement about an ex husband who resides
in the state pen, this has <BR>> crossed the mystic "line"!<BR>> <BR>>
Maybe it's time to shut this site down. Maybe it's time to do what <BR>>
someone, I respect, said, ..."Live and let live". Is this the standard <BR>>
we should follow?<BR>> <BR>> When Dale pointed out the incongruity of
Keely's request, in light of <BR>> all of the accusations by Rose and Co.
with respect to having people <BR>> live in their house, I thought I would
bring up Nick Gier's living <BR>> situation - again. Is he paying any of the
bills there? Wouldn't that <BR>> make him a "boarder" by the code? He is not
a family member.<BR>> <BR>> It seems, by the comments back to me, that
THIS is none of my business! <BR>> Why, he is an important public school
figure with a lot on his plate <BR>> (he told us so)! Why one set of
standards for some and not for others? <BR>> Where is the out cry "For the
Love of the Code?"<BR>> <BR>> Is all of this a picture of "white men of
privilege" being overcome and <BR>> subdued by those who feel down trodden?
Or is it as Mrs. Lund said, " <BR>> a reminder that Jealousy, the
Green-Eyed Monster, really is incredibly <BR>> ugly..."?<BR>> <BR>>
lemeno, Doug!<BR>> <BR></FONT></BODY></HTML>