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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I didn't miss your point Joe, I dismissed it. The
long and the short of this topic is this. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did
not accuse anyone of violating any laws. If you go back and actually read
the exchange between Ms. Mix and myself you will find that I
wished the students success in finding a local home to stay in and that their
stay should be as pleasant as possible. In my previous posts I made exactly two
points. The first was that the situation that Ms. Mix described in her original
request could very easily be construed to meet the city's definition for a
boarding house (Ord. 2006-1, 08/07/06) and that I found that amusing and ironic.
No amount of sophistry on your part can change this fact. It does and I was.
Period. No matter how many, if's, perhaps, maybes, and might have's you
throw in. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The second point was that there was nothing about
the topic which would give it some sort of special dispensation from
being fair game for comment and discussion, either on Dale Courtney's web site
or any other. Once again, I don't see any room for discussion or
disagreement.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Everything else you drone on about is simply an
exercise in arguing with yourself. (or some here to fore unintroduced third
party, with your debate style it's difficult to tell) I do find your remark
"The “weekly or longer” phrase here refers to, for instance, an exchange of room
and board for some kind of monetary compensation paid, by the boarder, on a
WEEKLY, or monthly, or yearly, etc. basis." to be interesting. Does this mean
that by some modification of the payment schedule the folks who "host" NSA
students can get you and your tolerance club to cease your
incessant carping? I didn't think so.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope you're enjoying the election,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>gc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:44
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or
Tenants?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Gary,<BR><BR>Not surprisingly, you missed the point. Let me slow things
down for you.<BR><BR>I said nothing about there being something in "the city
code that distinguishes between one month or four years." I said that there was
something in the city code that distinguished between a guest who might stay a
month or longer from a boarder who is "housed or fed for compensation on a
weekly or longer basis."<BR><BR>The “weekly or longer” phrase here refers to,
for instance, an exchange of room and board for some kind of monetary
compensation paid, by the boarder, on a WEEKLY, or monthly, or yearly, etc.
basis. <BR><BR>Can you admit this much? If so, then there are CLEAR differences
between the situation with regard to Keely's friends and the situation with
regard to NSA boarders. <BR><BR>First, Keely's friends have VIOLATED NO LAWS.
There are, as of yet, no Korean student boarders in Moscow and there has not, as
of yet, been any WEEKLY (or longer) compensation paid by these non-existent
boarders. In the case of NSA students, the allegation, at least, is that there
have been violations of the very code you note below, and that there are, as we
speak, continued violations of that code. The complaint by folks like myself is
that this is part of a general pattern of disregard for city law and disrespect
for folks who do not adopt Doug Wilson's narrow worldview.<BR><BR>Second,
Keely's original post requested that if anyone was "interested in hosting for a
few weeks, with compensation, please e-mail" her friend. My point was that
compensation for a few weeks was not the same thing as WEEKLY compensation. I
could have stated this more clearly, I admit, but I was in a rush to get to my
day job.<BR><BR>Third, there was nothing in Keely’s original post suggesting
what form this compensation should take. If it is to take the form of food or
odd jobs, as Tom suggests, then I’m not sure how it could be construed as a
violation of the city code.<BR><BR>Overall, Dale's comparison between the
situation involving Keely's friends and the ones involving NSA students is like
the comparison between apples and oranges.<BR><BR>Let me close with a few
questions. Since we now have a clearer understanding of what is and is not a
boarder, in the event that there are actual violations by NSA students of the
city code, will you join me in condemning such violations? If not, what should
be done? Why is it that you rush to post about potential violations of the city
code when it concerns Keely and her friends yet ignore the allegations of actual
violations of the city code when it concerns your friends? Is there something
about someone's being your friend that makes him above the law and beyond
contempt?<BR><BR>Joe<BR><BR>---- "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Joe asks...<BR><BR>Isn't Keely talking about folks who
are visiting for a month or so, not <BR>folks who are intending to attend and
then graduate from some local <BR>four-year school?<BR><BR>And I reply that I'm
sure that she is. The fact that you "would not classify <BR>putting someone up
for a month or so as housing or feeding someone "for <BR>compensation on a
weekly or longer basis." (a phrase that defies logic, but <BR>I'll assume to
take your meaning) makes no difference. There is nothing in <BR>the city code
that distinguishes between one month or four years. Any <BR>difference that has
been discussed so far on this forum has been opinion <BR>based on personnel
feelings, not law. I find it funny and ironic that folks <BR>who would use this
issue to attack one group and then turn around and <BR>advocate the same thing,
all the while claiming a difference based on some <BR>arbitrary duration and
their subjective opinion. The fact that Mr. Courtney <BR>or anyone else might
happen to have an opinion and elect to comment on it <BR>seems perfectly
reasonable to me.<BR><BR>gc<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Joe
Campbell" <</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>To: "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>Cc:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>Sent:
Monday, November 06, 2006 7:11 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or
Tenants?<BR><BR><BR>> Isn't Keely talking about folks who are visiting for a
month or so, not <BR>> folks who are intending to attend and then graduate
from some local <BR>> four-year school? I would not classify putting someone
up for a month or <BR>> so as housing or feeding someone "for compensation on
a weekly or longer <BR>> basis." It doesn't say housing or feeding "for a
week or more."<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>><BR>> ---- "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> =============<BR>> For the last couple of days posting
to this forum has been a bit screwy <BR>> from my computer. I hope this only
shows up once.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Wrong, as usual. City code quite clearly
defines boarding house's as<BR>> 12. Boarding House.<BR>><BR>> A
building occupied by its owner in which not more than six (6) roomers, <BR>>
lodgersand/or boarders are housed or fed for compensation on a weekly or
<BR>> longer basis. Ord. 2006-11, 08/07/06)With this in mind, I fail to see
how <BR>> the situation that Ms. Mix is suggesting, and the previous boarding
house <BR>> issue that you have decried with such vigor in the not so distant
past, is <BR>> any different -- aside from the players, of course.
It seems that you <BR>> would hold Ms. Mix and friends to a
different standard than certain <BR>> "others" that you do not hold in
the same high regard. I can't for the <BR>> life of me see how it could
be inappropriate for Dale to suggest that some <BR>> small measure of
consistency enter into the equation.<BR>><BR>> gc<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Tom Hansen<BR>> To: 'g.
crabtree' ; 'Vision 2020'<BR>> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 8:10
AM<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Guests or
Tenants?<BR>><BR>><BR>> Applying the quotation marks (") to my
statement was merely meant to <BR>> serve as my distinction of the two
concepts, not to reflect any specific <BR>> legal boundary,
ok?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Although the city code does not (in
writing) define a "boarding house", a <BR>> session (not that long ago) of
the city council verbally defined "boarding <BR>> houses". I could dig
through my repository of audio files of City Council <BR>> sessions, but I
would consider that to be time and effort poorly spent as <BR>> I am certain
that you can recall these sessions on your
own.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> And lastly, Comb-Over's
inappropriateness was apparent in his implication <BR>>
at:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "I'm sure that everyone she recommends
will have their conditional use <BR>> permits thru the City, approved and
paid for - just like every other <BR>> international student's host family in
Moscow has."<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Enough
said.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>><BR>>
Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>> Intolerista
Sergeant-at-Arms<BR>><BR>> "Most truths are so naked that
people feel sorry for them and cover them <BR>> up, at least a little
bit."<BR>> - Edward R. Murrow<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot@adelphia.net]<BR>> Sent: Sunday,
November 05, 2006 7:02 AM<BR>> To: Tom Hansen; Vision
2020<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or
Tenants?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> After having
glanced at the Moscow city code definition of a boarding <BR>> house, could
you please explain how providing accommodations to guests for <BR>> a couple
of weeks for compensation fails to meet the afore mentioned <BR>> definition?
Just exactly where in the code does it distinguish between a <BR>>
"resident guest" and a "resident tenant"? And lastly, why would it be <BR>>
"inappropriate commentary" to discuss this type of topic on Dale's <BR>>
personal blog and yet be just ducky for you to do the same on your own web
<BR>> site, to which you thoughtfully provided a link, not to mention here on
<BR>> the V?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> gc<BR>><BR>>
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