Kai,<br> <br> I think that it would have been more just to keep Hitler alive. You cannot punish someone that is dead. You cannot make them pay for their crimes, suffer, repent, or face the humility and indignity of being a prison inmate. <br> <br> The death penalty is a cowardice way out. It is an escape from punishment of the crime they committed. Now, maybe, one could argue that the knowledge of ones own death is torture, but this only lasts a short time. <br> <br> A dead person feels no pain, no regret or remorse, nor do they serve as an example of how rotten the next 50+ years of your life will be if you take a life. A murderer that gets lethal injection is a murderer that got away from paying the price of their crimes. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>"Kai Eiselein, editor" <editor@lataheagle.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Then, by
God, let the victim or family of the victim choose the penalty!<br>As a matter of fact, many states allow those affect to address the<br>court/offender and make their wishes known.<br>Just because it LOOKS human doesn't mean it IS human. In your argument,<br>Saundra, Hitler, had he not committed suicide, would have lived, along with<br>a mountain of monsters who passed as human.<br>I see, too, you've tossed the gender thing in with your "paternalistically"<br>comment. Ummmm, excuse me, there are plenty of women who feel the same way.<br>The greatest good for the greatest number makes sense. There is no sense in<br>the least good for the least number, now is there?<br>It is precisely because we are fallible that the death penalty is<br>effective......so that someone like Duncan has NO chance of getting out and<br>going on another rampage.<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Saundra Lund [mailto:sslund@adelphia.net]<br>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:42 AM<br>To:
'Kai Eiselein, editor'; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????<br><br><br>Hi Kai,<br><br>You wrote, in part:<br>"So you think putting a dangerous offender in prison wth three hots and cot,<br>medical and dental care, access to a law libray so he or she can file appeal<br>after appeal is worse than death? Then think about this.<br>What about the victim and or the victim's family who have to relive the<br>crime every time that offender is in the news with a new appeal or is filing<br>a lawsuit because conditions aren't "humane". He or she wasn't too worried<br>about humane treatment of the victim. Opening old wounds of those hurt by<br>the offender's actions time and time again isn't humane, in my opinion."<br><br>Thanks for the opportunity to address this fallacy!<br><br>You are making assumptions about survivors and the families/loved ones of<br>victims that just aren't true for all of them. Sure, *some* survivors
and<br>the families/loved ones of *some* victims support the death penalty, but<br>there are lots who don't. For those in the latter category, the imposition<br>of the death penalty against their offenders is nothing more than a State<br>sanctioned revictimization. And, in my opinion and experience, that's not<br>humane.<br><br>It seems to me we've gotten around that to some extent by arguing<br>paternalistically that "we know what's best" and "the greatest good for the<br>greatest number," as evidenced by your appeal to a dead offender has zero<br>chance of recidivism.<br><br>To me, neither of those are adequate justifications for revictimization.<br><br>And, that's without even mentioning the *fact* that as humans, we and our<br>judicial systems are fallible!<br><br><br>JMHO,<br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow, ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>nothing.<br>- Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained herein is
Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>without the express written permission of the author.*****<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>On Behalf Of Kai Eiselein, editor<br>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:07 AM<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????<br><br>The death penalty was never meant to be a deterent. It is a punishment.<br>Our society, and every other, has the obligation to decide what to do with<br>those that cannot or will not live without harming others. To that end, our<br>society has decided that some people have committed crimes so heinous that<br>death is the penalty for committing them.<br>Here are some irrefutable facts:<br>1: As long as a dangerous offender is alive, he or she has the potential to<br>injure or kill others.<br>2: As long as a dangerous
offender is alive he or she has a chance of<br>getting out of prison, either by escape, mistake or intention.<br>3: A dangerous offender who has been put to death has a zero percent chance<br>of recidivism.<br>So you think putting a dangerous offender in prison wth three hots and cot,<br>medical and dental care, access to a law libray so he or she can file appeal<br>after appeal is worse than death? Then think about this.<br>What about the victim and or the victim's family who have to relive the<br>crime every time that offender is in the news with a new appeal or is filing<br>a lawsuit because conditions aren't "humane". He or she wasn't too worried<br>about humane treatment of the victim. Opening old wounds of those hurt by<br>the offender's actions time and time again isn't humane, in my opinion.<br>Cost: I would suspect much of the cost for execuyting a convict comes from<br>the myriad appeals that go on for decades, not from the actual<br>holding/executing of the
convict.<br>Is the monetary cost any more relevant than the emotional cost to the victim<br>and/or family? I think it is less so.<br><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> http://www.fsr.net<br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<br><br><br><br>__________ NOD32 1.1825 (20061022) Information __________<br><br>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<br>http://www.eset.com<br><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<br></blockquote><br><p> 
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