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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually Joe, if by empirical you meant "derived
from or guided by experience or observation" I would have no choice but to
disagree. I would think that just about everyone who has given even
the most fleeting attention to the news for the last few years could cite
five or more instances of murderers fighting to avoid the death penalty for
every one that embraces that option. According to the folks at DPINFO.COM (death
penalty information) what appears to be an unbiased clearinghouse for this type
of information. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>"At every level of the criminal justice process,
virtually all criminals do everything they can to lessen possible
punishments. I estimate that less than 1% of all convicted capital
murderers request a death sentence in the punishment phase of their trial.
The apprehended criminals' desire for lesser punishments is overwhelming and
unchallenged.<BR><BR>Of the 7300 inmates sentenced to death since 1973, 85, or
1.2% have waived remaining appeals and been executed. 98.8% have not waived
appeals. The evidence is overwhelming that murderers would rather live on
death row than die. Why? The survival effect -- life is preferred
over death and death is feared more than life. Even on death row, that is
the rule." Dudley Sharp, Resource Director,
Justice For All</FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With this in mind, I would contend that your
assertion that "It is not as if your view has any more empirical support than
mine!" is, once again, wrong. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>gc</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "Pat Kraut" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "vision2020"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:50 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Duncan plea
deal</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Gary,<BR>> <BR>> It is not as if your view has any more
empirical support than mine!<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>>
<BR>> ---- "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> Reason #3: A long life in prison is far
worse than a short death.<BR>> <BR>> If this is truly the case, why do you
suppose so many vermin such as Duncan <BR>> prefer/fight for the life
sentence? For the most part this, is true of all <BR>> convicted killers.
What do you base your contention on? I can't imagine that <BR>> it's even how
you, personally, would feel should you ever be in a similar <BR>>
circumstance. (not that you would, of course) This "long life in prison is
<BR>> worse than death." mantra seems to be bandied about as a truism with
<BR>> precious little supporting evidence. In fact, most evidence points the
other <BR>> way.<BR>> <BR>> gc<BR>> From: "Joe Campbell"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
"Pat Kraut" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> Cc:
"vision2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:33 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Duncan plea deal<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Pat,<BR>>><BR>>>
Unfortunately, the fact is that you and I will pay more if he is <BR>>>
(eventually) put to death. Yet another reason not to have the death <BR>>>
penalty.<BR>>><BR>>> Reason #3: A long life in prison is far worse
than a short death.<BR>>><BR>>> --<BR>>> Joe
Campbell<BR>>><BR>>> ---- Pat Kraut <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> =============<BR>>> But why do I have to
pay for him to continue to have life in any
form?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> If we do
discover a complete theory..of everything...we shall all,<BR>>>
philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people,<BR>>> be able to take
part in the discussion of why it is that we and the <BR>>>
universe<BR>>> exist if we find the answer to that,<BR>>> it would
be the ultimate triumph of human reason...for then we would know<BR>>> the
mind of God.<BR>>> Stephen Hawking<BR>>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>>> From: <</FONT><A href="mailto:whayman@adelphia.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>whayman@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> To: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>> Cc:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:09 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Duncan plea deal<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Hello
all,<BR>>><BR>>> I would agree with anyone that Duncan tests the
limits much more than even<BR>>> more than Malvo in the DC area. What
Duncan apparently did lies outside <BR>>> the<BR>>> human scope of
sympathy. But even within this absolutely and disgustingly<BR>>> twisted
psychopathic scenario, I still cannot advocate a penalty of death<BR>>>
for anyone. Duncan included.<BR>>><BR>>> Killing, as we all know,
brings back no one. The argument of the death<BR>>> penalty as resolution
and closure I find closer to vengeance than justice.<BR>>><BR>>>
Please don't take me wrong; I don't think rehab etc. is the issue in
this<BR>>> case. I do hope that the rest of his life is spent anonymously
and ignobly<BR>>> incarcerated.<BR>>><BR>>> Warren
Hayman<BR>>><BR>>>
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