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<DIV><FONT size=4>Whether these numbers you present are true or not, they do not
support the allegations you made in the paragraph I cited. That paragraph
was a gross exaggeration and when I was a kid, would have been called a
bald-faced lie.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Is Moscow Ready for Reservoir?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne,<BR><BR>Affordability of a place in Boise is less than that
of Moscow. If you don't know that, you are living in another world. Just do a
little research will ya: Here I will get you started:<BR><BR>Consider:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.nextag.com/home-mortgage/2/ID/Boise.html">http://www.nextag.com/home-mortgage/2/ID/Boise.html</A><BR>and<BR><A
href="http://www.nextag.com/home-mortgage/2/ID/Moscow.html">http://www.nextag.com/home-mortgage/2/ID/Moscow.html</A><BR>and
even:<BR><A
href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL1608830.html">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL1608830.html</A><BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Boise:</SPAN><BR><BR>$58,489 Average Family
Income<BR><BR>$125,767.0 Average Home Price<BR><BR>1977 is the average year
build for a home<BR><BR>5.4 rooms is the average size of a home<BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Compare to Moscow:</SPAN><BR><BR><BR>$46,331 Medium
Family Income (not College students)<BR><BR>$128,500.0 Average Home
Price<BR><BR>1973 Average Age of a Home<BR><BR>4.9 Rooms is Average Size of
Home.<BR><BR>http://www.nextag.com/home-mortgage/2/ID/Boise.html<BR><BR><B><I><BR></I></B>The
numbers don't lie Wayne. If you are paying more for a home, earning less, the
house is smaller, and older, it is less affordable. I hope you understand
that.<B><I><BR><BR></I></B>Talk to anyone that has lived both in Moscow and
Boise, that works for living, if they think it is cheaper to live in Moscow than
Boise. Now, if I got $1 million in the bank or am living on fixed income, Moscow
is cheaper, but if you are working for an income, it is more affordable to live
in Boise than Moscow. <BR><BR>Look at what you get for $800 in Boise, and what
you get for $800 in Moscow for rent. Then take 15% off your income in Moscow and
see which is the better deal. Good grief, I would think you were oblivious to
the housing rates in Moscow and housing boom in Boise.
<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>Art Deco <deco@<B><I>moscow.com></I></B>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>"In Boise mortgages are only like $700 for a
three or four bedroom house. Jobs in Moscow pay less than 30K a year,
our county population is shrinking and native Moscow residents are being
replaced by Californians and others not from here because of the cost of
living and lack of job opportunities."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If you want to be taken seriously please tell us the <FONT
color=#0000ff><STRONG>sources</STRONG> </FONT>of the above
information and expand the details: What percentage of 3 - 4 BR
homes in Boise can be had on a regular mortgage for $700.00/month? What
is the average cost of a 3 - 4 BR house in the Boise Metro area? What is
the average mortgage amount? What is the average monthly payment?
What is the average income in Moscow when students are not counted in the
data? How many Moscow natives were displaced by Californians beyond
those that would have left anyway? How are these numbers different for
similar sized cities in the west which are islands in rural agricultural or
forest resource areas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Since the issue of water quality and quantity is important
to many on this list, please give the <STRONG><FONT
color=#0000ff>sources</FONT></STRONG> for your information or resign yourself
to be regarded once and for all times as the area's largest but not
cleverest fabulist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"I don't think that conservation is the solution to
our problem. I think water levels are not decreasing because of our
consumption rate, but rather because of a shift in global weather patterns.
Even if Moscow residents left town all today, the water would still run
out. Just look at all the other aquifers around the world that are also
declining."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Let's see. The aquifers are declining since they are
not being replenished as quickly worldwide and not because water is being
pumped from them. Hmmm. So pumping water from aquifers
has little or no effect on their levels? Please give some <FONT
color=#0000ff><STRONG>scientific sources</STRONG></FONT> for this amazing
statement including sources for data that purport to show that precipitation
is declining globally. Is it your contention that if we were to stop
pumping groundwater, the levels would still be falling at the same
rate? Perhaps a solution to your great knowledge would be a simple
Googling on "global aquifers" and a few minutes reading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Since the aquifers are falling for whatever cause or
causes, it seems to me that is all the more reason to conserve.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>After you Google on "global aquifers," try Googling to
discover the problems with using surface water for urban use and what the
project urban use is over the next few years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Without commenting on your Naylor Farms remarks in depth, it
should be asked that if Naylor Farms cannot even retain an effective
attorney who can correctly fill out a CUP application form or a competent,
believable geologist, is it reasonable to expect that they could
even begin to competently design, finance, and construct a large privately
financed public works project?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>There is no doubt that the cost to taxpayers for water and
many other natural resources will increase sharply over the next few
years. This reasons for this rise includes the rise in
population, dwindling resources, and a sharp rise in the long
term ecological debt we have now and continue to accumulate at an accelerating
pace.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>This community has lots of citizens that do not understand
the local or global water resource issue, do not want to understand it, have
all kinds of absurd, ill-defined plans to solve it, and do not want to pay for
its solution in any way -- financially or change in habits.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Old, and coming from a childhood in communities where most
of the citizens then faced major problems and worked together, more or
less, to try to solve them, I find the cultural shift to wide scale
me-ism a sign that worst times are to come.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I am glad that my life expectancy is short so that I won't
have to see the near term ecological catastrophes and the sufferings wrought
by them, and won't have to listen to the lame excuses of those that by their
abysmal ignorance, uninformed opinionating, and selfish me-centered inaction
helped bring them about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Is Moscow Ready for
Reservoir?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Joe,<BR><BR>I can tell you this. Although I think it is always
a good idea to have a plan B and even a plan C and possibly a plan D, I am not
willing as a taxpayer to pay for a reservoir. I think it is just another big
expensive government project that people cannot afford. I mean good grief, it
costs $1000 to rent a 3 bedroom apartment in Moscow, people cannot afford it
anymore. In Boise mortgages are only like $700 for a three or four bedroom
house. Jobs in Moscow pay less than 30K a year, our county population is
shrinking and native Moscow residents are being replaced by Californians and
others not from here because of the cost of living and lack of job
opportunities. <BR><BR>If you want a reservoir, you have to pay for it through
private means, not taxes, which means you have to get a private company like
Naylor Farms to do it. If they can engineer a mining operation, they can
engineer digging a hole and filling it with water. <BR><BR>I don't think that
conservation is the solution to our problem. I think water levels are not
decreasing because of our consumption rate, but rather because of a shift in
global weather patterns. Even if Moscow residents left town all today, the
water would still run out. Just look at all the other aquifers around
the world that are also declining. <BR><BR>Second, I don't want to leave
behind this aquifer water for people. I think it is nasty, smelly, bad tasting
water. We have fresh water springs less than 50 miles from here, don't you
think people of the future, 200-300 years from now would rather be drinking
that than the stale water that corrodes our pipes and smells like sulfur if
your water tank isn't over 130 degrees? I know I would. <BR><BR>If we took two
years to build one mile of pipe, we would get to a fresh healthy water supply
in less than 100 years, a good 200 years before our supply ran out.<BR><BR>I
think speculation and research is a good thing, and so is coming up with a
plan B for our water situation. However, asking for money for a water
reservoir with the limited knowledge we have is going to get a big NO from
Moscow property owners which make up most the vote. <BR><BR>Thinking
realistically, you aren't going to get a reservoir anytime in the near future
with tax dollars. Naylor Farms is more most likely our best shot.
<BR><BR>I suppose lots of people, and MCA are going to spend lots of time
pushing this idea, some will use scare tactics, but it in the end, it isn't
going to happen. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell
<joekc@adelphia.net></I></B> wrote:
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Donovan,<BR><BR>Let me preface this by saying that I know very little about
water; I know more since last night -- thanks to our wonderful panel! -- but
that is still very little compared to other folks. Here are some brief
thoughts, though.<BR><BR>1/ The kind of area needed for a reservoir is one
thing; the kind of area needed for a mine is another. Why think that they
would coincide? Others can speak to this issue with more authority, but I
remain skeptical that a mine can be easily transformed into a
reservoir.<BR><BR>2/ What I especially liked about last night's meeting is
that we discussed an issue that was not "in our face." Yet it is an issue
that needs to be dealt with soon. The fact is that we use more water than is
being replaced. As long as the water supply is not endless, it will
eventually end. What to do?<BR><BR>A reservoir is one possible solution.
Water conservation is another one. But CAN we conserve enough water to solve
the problem? Shouldn't we also look at other solutions? We're just beginning
this dialogue, I think. (We're just beginning it as a COMMUNITY. It was
clear last night that there are quite a few folks who have been thinking
about these issues for a while.)<BR><BR>3/ One thing that came across last
night is that we are in a rather unique situation, water-wise. It is
possible that there is a large -- though limited -- body of water that is
currently available to Moscow. We need to think about how we are going to
use it and -- until we can provide a way of increasing that amount -- we
should plan to use it wisely.<BR><BR>Naylor farms has plans to use a great
deal of our current supply. Forgetting about the other costs of their
enterprise, it is questionable whether -- short of some long term solution
to our current water problem -- we should invest our water capital to meet
their ends.<BR><BR>4/ I wish Naylor farms would hold a public forum similar
to the one held last night. Which is just to say, I wish that Naylor farms
would give me the feeling that they gave a rat's -ss about how I and others
think about these issues.<BR><BR>I challenge Naylor farms to approach this
problem in a way that illustrates their concern for the overall community.
It is our water and the supply is limited. If Naylor farms wants to use some
of that supply, then they need to tell us how we might benefit from their
use. So far I have not seen the benefit. Nor have I seen any recognition on
their part that there is a genuine problem here. Currently, there is just a
limited supply of water. We might debate on the amount but that the supply
is limited is not an issue for debate.<BR><BR>Until we can figure out a way
to increase our current supply of water -- through a reservoir,
conservation, or some other means -- it seems irresponsible to allow Naylor
farms access to it for their own personal needs.<BR><BR>Note that these
comments are reflective of my own thoughts, and not those of any other
organization with which I might be affiliated (the members of which likely
know more about these issues than I do).<BR><BR>Best, Joe<BR><BR>----
Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005 @yahoo.com="">wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Joe and Bruce,<BR><BR>I would love to attend your
meeting, however, I cannot. You guys really need to check with me before you
schedule these meetings to make sure I am free, cause you know, I work and
go to school and right now I am also sick. ; )<BR><BR>But my advice is that
you work with Naylor Farms to meet both your goals. Maybe the money raised
from mining can be used to pay for the reservoir. Working with people you
have disagreements with rather than shutting them down all the time might
work better to meet some of your long term goals. <BR><BR>Is there any
reason why the water used by Naylor Farms cannot be used to fill the
reservoir? Is there any reason why the hole they dig cannot be the
reservoir? Is there any reason why the taxes and fines they pay the county
to mine cannot be used to pay for the project? I think a reservoir on top of
a hill just a mile or town out of town is a perfect place to have one.
<BR><BR>Those are the questions I would ask if I could attend this meeting.
<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR>Joe Campbell <JOEKC
@adelphia.net="">wrote:Come to the meeting, Donovan! Note that the title of
the meeting is a question, not a statement. We're going to discuss the
plusses and minuses and try to help folks reach an informed decision on the
matter.<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Won't digging a reservoir cause health problems
with dust being less then 1.5 miles away from Moscow? And won't it use a lot
of water?<BR><BR>Why don't we just have Naylor Farms dig us a hole, take the
clay and dirt away, and use the water to fill the reservoir?<BR><BR>Curious
minds want to know. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>Bruce and Jean
Livingston wrote: Reminder: MCA meeting on whether Moscow should consider
building a water reservoir.<BR><BR>MCA General Public Meeting on Monday Oct.
9 at 1912 Building @ 7p.m.<BR>Water Solutions – Is Moscow Ready for a
Reservoir?<BR>Panelists: <BR>Jerry Fairley, Professor of Hydrogeology, U of
Idaho<BR>Dianne French, founder of Palouse Water Conservation
Network<BR>Gary Riedner, Moscow City Supervisor<BR>Steve Robischon, Exec.
Mgr. of Palouse Basin Aquifer Committee<BR>Mark Solomon, Palouse Water
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>"In Boise mortgages are only like $700 for a
three or four bedroom house. Jobs in Moscow pay less than 30K a year,
our county population is shrinking and native Moscow residents are being
replaced by Californians and others not from here because of the cost of
living and lack of job opportunities."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If you want to be taken seriously please tell us the <FONT
color=#0000ff><STRONG>sources</STRONG> </FONT>of the above
information and expand the details: What percentage of 3 - 4 BR
homes in Boise can be had on a regular mortgage for $700.00/month? What
is the average cost of a 3 - 4 BR house in the Boise Metro area? What is
the average mortgage amount? What is the average monthly payment?
What is the average income in Moscow when students are not counted in the
data? How many Moscow natives were displaced by Californians beyond
those that would have left anyway? How are these numbers different for
similar sized cities in the west which are islands in rural ag or forest
resource areas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Since the issue of water quality and quantity is important
to many on this list, please give the <STRONG><FONT
color=#0000ff>sources</FONT></STRONG> for your information or resign yourself
to be regarded once and for all times as the area's largest but not
cleverest fabulist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"I don't think that conservation is the solution to
our problem. I think water levels are not decreasing because of our
consumption rate, but rather because of a shift in global weather patterns.
Even if Moscow residents left town all today, the water would still run
out. Just look at all the other aquifers around the world that are also
declining."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Let's see. The aquifers are declining since they are
not being replenished as quickly worldwide and not because water is being
pumped from them. Hmmm. So pumping water from aquifers
has little or no effect on their levels? Please give some <FONT
color=#0000ff><STRONG>scientific sources</STRONG></FONT> for this amazing
statement including sources for data that purport to show that precipitation
is declining globally. Is it your contention that if we were to stop
pumping groundwater, the levels would still be falling at the same
rate? Perhaps a solution to your great knowledge would be a simple
Googling on "global aquifers" and a few minutes reading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Since the aquifers are falling for whatever cause or
causes, it seems to me that is all the more reason to conserve.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>After you Google on "global aquifers," try Googling to
discover the problems with using surface water for urban use and what the
project urban use is over the next few years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Without commenting on your Naylor Farms remarks in depth, it
should be asked that if Naylor Farms cannot even retain an effective
attorney who could correctly fill out a CUP application form or a competent,
believable geologist, is it reasonable to expect that they could
even begin to competently design, finance, and construct a large privately
financed public works project?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>There is no doubt that the cost to taxpayers for water and
many other natural resources will increase sharply over the next few
years. This reasons for this rise includes the rise in
population, dwindling resources, and a sharp rise in the long
term ecological debt we have now and continue to accumulate at an accelerating
pace.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The community has lots of citizens that do not understand
the local or global water resource issue, do not want to understand it, have
all kinds of absurd, ill-defined plans to solve it, and do not want to pay for
its solution.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Old, and coming from a childhood in communities where most
of the citizens then faced major problems and worked together, more or
less, try to solve them, I find the cultural shift to wide scale me-ism a
sign that worst times are to come.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I am glad that my life expectancy is short so that I won't
have to see the near term ecological catastrophes and the sufferings wrought
by them, and won't have to listen to the lame excuses of those that by their
abysmal ignorance, uninformed opinionating, and selfish inaction helped bring
them about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Is Moscow Ready for
Reservoir?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Joe,<BR><BR>I can tell you this. Although I think it is always
a good idea to have a plan B and even a plan C and possibly a plan D, I am not
willing as a taxpayer to pay for a reservoir. I think it is just another big
expensive government project that people cannot afford. I mean good grief, it
costs $1000 to rent a 3 bedroom apartment in Moscow, people cannot afford it
anymore. In Boise mortgages are only like $700 for a three or four bedroom
house. Jobs in Moscow pay less than 30K a year, our county population is
shrinking and native Moscow residents are being replaced by Californians and
others not from here because of the cost of living and lack of job
opportunities. <BR><BR>If you want a reservoir, you have to pay for it through
private means, not taxes, which means you have to get a private company like
Naylor Farms to do it. If they can engineer a mining operation, they can
engineer digging a hole and filling it with water. <BR><BR>I don't think that
conservation is the solution to our problem. I think water levels are not
decreasing because of our consumption rate, but rather because of a shift in
global weather patterns. Even if Moscow residents left town all today, the
water would still run out. Just look at all the other aquifers around
the world that are also declining. <BR><BR>Second, I don't want to leave
behind this aquifer water for people. I think it is nasty, smelly, bad tasting
water. We have fresh water springs less than 50 miles from here, don't you
think people of the future, 200-300 years from now would rather be drinking
that than the stale water that corrodes our pipes and smells like sulfur if
your water tank isn't over 130 degrees? I know I would. <BR><BR>If we took two
years to build one mile of pipe, we would get to a fresh healthy water supply
in less than 100 years, a good 200 years before our supply ran out.<BR><BR>I
think speculation and research is a good thing, and so is coming up with a
plan B for our water situation. However, asking for money for a water
reservoir with the limited knowledge we have is going to get a big NO from
Moscow property owners which make up most the vote. <BR><BR>Thinking
realistically, you aren't going to get a reservoir anytime in the near future
with tax dollars. Naylor Farms is more most likely our best shot.
<BR><BR>I suppose lots of people, and MCA are going to spend lots of time
pushing this idea, some will use scare tactics, but it in the end, it isn't
going to happen. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell
<joekc@adelphia.net></I></B> wrote:
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">Dear
Donovan,<BR><BR>Let me preface this by saying that I know very little about
water; I know more since last night -- thanks to our wonderful panel! -- but
that is still very little compared to other folks. Here are some brief
thoughts, though.<BR><BR>1/ The kind of area needed for a reservoir is one
thing; the kind of area needed for a mine is another. Why think that they
would coincide? Others can speak to this issue with more authority, but I
remain skeptical that a mine can be easily transformed into a
reservoir.<BR><BR>2/ What I especially liked about last night's meeting is
that we discussed an issue that was not "in our face." Yet it is an issue
that needs to be dealt with soon. The fact is that we use more water than is
being replaced. As long as the water supply is not endless, it will
eventually end. What to do?<BR><BR>A reservoir is one possible solution.
Water conservation is another one. But CAN we conserve enough water to solve
the problem? Shouldn't we also look at other solutions? We're just beginning
this dialogue, I think. (We're just beginning it as a COMMUNITY. It was
clear last night that there are quite a few folks who have been thinking
about these issues for a while.)<BR><BR>3/ One thing that came across last
night is that we are in a rather unique situation, water-wise. It is
possible that there is a large -- though limited -- body of water that is
currently available to Moscow. We need to think about how we are going to
use it and -- until we can provide a way of increasing that amount -- we
should plan to use it wisely.<BR><BR>Naylor farms has plans to use a great
deal of our current supply. Forgetting about the other costs of their
enterprise, it is questionable whether -- short of some long term solution
to our current water problem -- we should invest our water capital to meet
their ends.<BR><BR>4/ I wish Naylor farms would hold a public forum similar
to the one held last night. Which is just to say, I wish that Naylor farms
would give me the feeling that they gave a rat's -ss about how I and others
think about these issues.<BR><BR>I challenge Naylor farms to approach this
problem in a way that illustrates their concern for the overall community.
It is our water and the supply is limited. If Naylor farms wants to use some
of that supply, then they need to tell us how we might benefit from their
use. So far I have not seen the benefit. Nor have I seen any recognition on
their part that there is a genuine problem here. Currently, there is just a
limited supply of water. We might debate on the amount but that the supply
is limited is not an issue for debate.<BR><BR>Until we can figure out a way
to increase our current supply of water -- through a reservoir,
conservation, or some other means -- it seems irresponsible to allow Naylor
farms access to it for their own personal needs.<BR><BR>Note that these
comments are reflective of my own thoughts, and not those of any other
organization with which I might be affiliated (the members of which likely
know more about these issues than I do).<BR><BR>Best, Joe<BR><BR>----
Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005 @yahoo.com="">wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Joe and Bruce,<BR><BR>I would love to attend your
meeting, however, I cannot. You guys really need to check with me before you
schedule these meetings to make sure I am free, cause you know, I work and
go to school and right now I am also sick. ; )<BR><BR>But my advice is that
you work with Naylor Farms to meet both your goals. Maybe the money raised
from mining can be used to pay for the reservoir. Working with people you
have disagreements with rather than shutting them down all the time might
work better to meet some of your long term goals. <BR><BR>Is there any
reason why the water used by Naylor Farms cannot be used to fill the
reservoir? Is there any reason why the hole they dig cannot be the
reservoir? Is there any reason why the taxes and fines they pay the county
to mine cannot be used to pay for the project? I think a reservoir on top of
a hill just a mile or town out of town is a perfect place to have one.
<BR><BR>Those are the questions I would ask if I could attend this meeting.
<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR>Joe Campbell <JOEKC
@adelphia.net="">wrote:Come to the meeting, Donovan! Note that the title of
the meeting is a question, not a statement. We're going to discuss the
plusses and minuses and try to help folks reach an informed decision on the
matter.<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Won't digging a reservoir cause health problems
with dust being less then 1.5 miles away from Moscow? And won't it use a lot
of water?<BR><BR>Why don't we just have Naylor Farms dig us a hole, take the
clay and dirt away, and use the water to fill the reservoir?<BR><BR>Curious
minds want to know. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>Bruce and Jean
Livingston wrote: Reminder: MCA meeting on whether Moscow should consider
building a water reservoir.<BR><BR>MCA General Public Meeting on Monday Oct.
9 at 1912 Building @ 7p.m.<BR>Water Solutions – Is Moscow Ready for a
Reservoir?<BR>Panelists: <BR>Jerry Fairley, Professor of Hydrogeology, U of
Idaho<BR>Dianne French, founder of Palouse Water Conservation
Network<BR>Gary Riedner, Moscow City Supervisor<BR>Steve Robischon, Exec.
Mgr. of Palouse Basin Aquifer Committee<BR>Mark Solomon, Palouse Water
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