Joe,<br> <br> I can tell you this. Although I think it is always a good idea to have a plan B and even a plan C and possibly a plan D, I am not willing as a taxpayer to pay for a reservoir. I think it is just another big expensive government project that people cannot afford. I mean good grief, it costs $1000 to rent a 3 bedroom apartment in Moscow, people cannot afford it anymore. In Boise mortgages are only like $700 for a three or four bedroom house. Jobs in Moscow pay less than 30K a year, our county population is shrinking and native Moscow residents are being replaced by Californians and others not from here because of the cost of living and lack of job opportunities. <br> <br> If you want a reservoir, you have to pay for it through private means, not taxes, which means you have to get a private company like Naylor Farms to do it. If they can engineer a mining operation, they can engineer digging a hole and filling it with water. <br> <br> I
don't think that conservation is the solution to our problem. I think water levels are not decreasing because of our consumption rate, but rather because of a shift in global weather patterns. Even if Moscow residents left town all today, the water would still run out. Just look at all the other aquifers around the world that are also declining. <br> <br> Second, I don't want to leave behind this aquifer water for people. I think it is nasty, smelly, bad tasting water. We have fresh water springs less than 50 miles from here, don't you think people of the future, 200-300 years from now would rather be drinking that than the stale water that corrodes our pipes and smells like sulfur if your water tank isn't over 130 degrees? I know I would. <br> <br> If we took two years to build one mile of pipe, we would get to a fresh healthy water supply in less than 100 years, a good 200 years before our supply ran out.<br> <br> I think speculation and research
is a good thing, and so is coming up with a plan B for our water situation. However, asking for money for a water reservoir with the limited knowledge we have is going to get a big NO from Moscow property owners which make up most the vote. <br> <br> Thinking realistically, you aren't going to get a reservoir anytime in the near future with tax dollars. Naylor Farms is more most likely our best shot. <br> <br> I suppose lots of people, and MCA are going to spend lots of time pushing this idea, some will use scare tactics, but it in the end, it isn't going to happen. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br><br><b><i>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Dear Donovan,<br><br>Let me preface this by saying that I know very little about water; I know more since last night -- thanks to our wonderful panel! -- but that is
still very little compared to other folks. Here are some brief thoughts, though.<br><br>1/ The kind of area needed for a reservoir is one thing; the kind of area needed for a mine is another. Why think that they would coincide? Others can speak to this issue with more authority, but I remain skeptical that a mine can be easily transformed into a reservoir.<br><br>2/ What I especially liked about last night's meeting is that we discussed an issue that was not "in our face." Yet it is an issue that needs to be dealt with soon. The fact is that we use more water than is being replaced. As long as the water supply is not endless, it will eventually end. What to do?<br><br>A reservoir is one possible solution. Water conservation is another one. But CAN we conserve enough water to solve the problem? Shouldn't we also look at other solutions? We're just beginning this dialogue, I think. (We're just beginning it as a COMMUNITY. It was clear last night that there are
quite a few folks who have been thinking about these issues for a while.)<br><br>3/ One thing that came across last night is that we are in a rather unique situation, water-wise. It is possible that there is a large -- though limited -- body of water that is currently available to Moscow. We need to think about how we are going to use it and -- until we can provide a way of increasing that amount -- we should plan to use it wisely.<br><br>Naylor farms has plans to use a great deal of our current supply. Forgetting about the other costs of their enterprise, it is questionable whether -- short of some long term solution to our current water problem -- we should invest our water capital to meet their ends.<br><br>4/ I wish Naylor farms would hold a public forum similar to the one held last night. Which is just to say, I wish that Naylor farms would give me the feeling that they gave a rat's -ss about how I and others think about these issues.<br><br>I challenge
Naylor farms to approach this problem in a way that illustrates their concern for the overall community. It is our water and the supply is limited. If Naylor farms wants to use some of that supply, then they need to tell us how we might benefit from their use. So far I have not seen the benefit. Nor have I seen any recognition on their part that there is a genuine problem here. Currently, there is just a limited supply of water. We might debate on the amount but that the supply is limited is not an issue for debate.<br><br>Until we can figure out a way to increase our current supply of water -- through a reservoir, conservation, or some other means -- it seems irresponsible to allow Naylor farms access to it for their own personal needs.<br><br>Note that these comments are reflective of my own thoughts, and not those of any other organization with which I might be affiliated (the members of which likely know more about these issues than I do).<br><br>Best,
Joe<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""> wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Joe and Bruce,<br> <br> I would love to attend your meeting, however, I cannot. You guys really need to check with me before you schedule these meetings to make sure I am free, cause you know, I work and go to school and right now I am also sick. ; )<br> <br> But my advice is that you work with Naylor Farms to meet both your goals. Maybe the money raised from mining can be used to pay for the reservoir. Working with people you have disagreements with rather than shutting them down all the time might work better to meet some of your long term goals. <br> <br> Is there any reason why the water used by Naylor Farms cannot be used to fill the reservoir? Is there any reason why the hole they dig cannot be the reservoir? Is there any reason why the taxes and fines they pay the county to mine cannot be used to pay for the project? I think a reservoir on top of a hill
just a mile or town out of town is a perfect place to have one. <br> <br> Those are the questions I would ask if I could attend this meeting. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br><br>Joe Campbell <joekc @adelphia.net=""> wrote:Come to the meeting, Donovan! Note that the title of the meeting is a question, not a statement. We're going to discuss the plusses and minuses and try to help folks reach an informed decision on the matter.<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Won't digging a reservoir cause health problems with dust being less then 1.5 miles away from Moscow? And won't it use a lot of water?<br> <br> Why don't we just have Naylor Farms dig us a hole, take the clay and dirt away, and use the water to fill the reservoir?<br> <br>Curious minds want to know. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br>Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote: Reminder: MCA meeting on whether Moscow should consider building a water
reservoir.<br> <br> MCA General Public Meeting on Monday Oct. 9 at 1912 Building @ 7p.m.<br> Water Solutions – Is Moscow Ready for a Reservoir?<br> Panelists: <br> Jerry Fairley, Professor of Hydrogeology, U of Idaho<br> Dianne French, founder of Palouse Water Conservation Network<br> Gary Riedner, Moscow City Supervisor<br> Steve Robischon, Exec. Mgr. of Palouse Basin Aquifer Committee<br> Mark Solomon, Palouse Water Conservation Network<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<br><br> <br>---------------------------------<br>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for
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