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<H1>IDENTIFYING A CULT</H1>
<H6>Copyright 1985, 1991 Jan Groenveld</H6>
<P></P>
<OL>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#1">SECULAR DEFINITION</A> </LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#2">CHRISTIAN DEFINITION</A>
</LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#3">UNIVERSAL DEFINITION</A>
</LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#4">OTHER IDENTIFICATION
MARKS</A> </LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#5">HOW THEY DO THIS</A> </LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#6">SOME ABUSES OF RIGHTS AND
FREEDOMS:</A> </LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#7">RESULTS OF THIS ABUSE</A>
</LI>
<LI><A href="http://www.religio.de/cudef.html#8">SUMMARY</A> </LI></OL>There has
been much confusion about cults and how to 'pickem'.
<P>Some have difficulty identifying a cult because it is not so easy to identify
one that is not even religious. For this reason, over the years, different
definitions of what actually is a cult have developed to make it easier when you
know little about their beliefs.</P>
<P><EM>The different definitions:</EM></P>
<P><A name=1>
<H3>SECULAR DEFINITION</H3></A>CULT - From the Latin "cultis" which denotes all
that is involved in worship, ritual, emotion, liturgy and attitude. This
definition actually denotes what we call denominations and sects and would make
all religious movements a cult.
<P></P>
<P><A name=2>
<H3>CHRISTIAN DEFINITION</H3></A>
<P></P>
<P>CULT - Any group which deviates from Biblical, orthodox, historical
Christianity. e.i. They deny the Deity of Christ; His physical resurrection; His
personal and physical return to earth and salvation by FAITH alone. </P>
<P>This definition only covers those groups which are cults within the Christian
religion. It does not cover cults within other world religions such as Islam and
Hinduism. Nor does it cover Psychological, Commercial or Educational cults which
do not recognize the Bible as a source of reality. </P>
<P><A name=3>
<H3>UNIVERSAL DEFINITION</H3></A>
<P></P>
<P><EM>CULT</EM> - Any group which has a pyramid type authoritarian leadership
structure with all teaching and guidance coming from the person/persons at the
top. The group will claim to be the only way to God; Nirvana; Paradise; Ultimate
Reality; Full Potential, Way to Happiness etc, and will use thought reform or
mind control techniques to gain control and keep their members. This definition
covers cults within all majopr world religions, along with those cults which
have no OBVIOUS religious base such as commercial, educational and psychological
cults. Others may define these a little differently, but this is the simplest to
work from. <EM>THE 'ORTHODOX BIBLE-BASED CULT'</EM> </P>
<P>A group is called a cult because of their behaviour - not their doctrines.
Doctrine is an issue in the area of Apologetics and Heresy. Most religious cults
do teach what the Christian church would declare to be heresy but some do not.
Some cults teach the basics of the Christian faith but have behavioural patterns
that are abusive, controlling and cultic. </P>
<P>This occurs in both Non-Charismatic and Charismatic churches. These groups
teach the central doctrines of the Christian faith and then add the extra
authority of leadership or someone's particular writings. They centre around the
interpretations of the leadership and submissive and unquestioning acceptance of
these is essential to be a member of good standing. This acceptance includes
what we consider non-essential doctrines e.i. not salvation issues (such as the
Person and Work of Christ.) The key is that they will be using mind control or
undue influence on their members. </P>
<P>An excellent book on this subject is "Churches that Abuse" by Dr Ronald
Enroth. </P>
<P>Using these guidelines of definition, Bible-based, Psychological, Educational
and Commercial aberrations can easily be identified. </P>
<P><A name=4>
<H3>OTHER IDENTIFICATION MARKS</H3></A>
<P></P>
<P>(a) The group will have an<EM> ELITIST</EM> view of itself in relation to
others, and a <EM>UNIQUE CAUSE. e.i. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT -
</EM>everyone else is wrong. <EM>THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING GOD'S WILL -
</EM>everyone else is in apostasy. </P>
<P>(b) They will promote their cause actively, and in doing so, abuse God-given
personal rights and freedoms. This abuse can be <EM>THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL,
SOCIAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL. </EM></P>
<P></P>
<P><A name=5>
<H3>HOW THEY DO THIS</H3></A>
<P></P>
<P></P>
<OL>
<LI>Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or
position of authority given by God.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance
regarding the Christian church while at the same time praising and exalting
their own group, leader/s and work.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members loyal
to their ranks. This could be in the form of threats of dire calamity sent by
God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon; being shunned by their family
and friends etc. This is a vital part of the mind control process.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>Members will be expected to give substantial financial support to the
group. This could be compulsory tithing (which is checked); signing over all
their property on entering the group; coercive methods of instilling guilt on
those who have not contributed; selling magazines, flowers or other goods for
the group as part of their "ministry".
<P></P></LI>
<LI>At the same time bible-based cults may ridicule churches that take up
free-will offerings by passing collection plates and/or sell literature and
tapes. They usually brag that they don't do this. This gives outsiders the
intimation that they are not interested in money.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings.
The lives of members will be totally absorbed into the group's activities.
They will have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical
and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the mind control
process.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>There will be total control over almost all aspects of the private lives
of members. This control can be direct through communal living, or constant
and repetitious teaching on "how to be a true Christian" or "being obedient to
leadership". Members will look to their leaders for guidance in everything
they do.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>Bible-based cults may proclaim they have no clergy/laity distinction and
no paid ministry class - that they are all equal.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>Any dissent or questioning of the group's teachings is discouraged.
Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be an emphasis on
authority, unquestioning obedience and submission. This is vigilantly
maintained.
<P></P></LI>
<LI>Members are required to demonstrate their loyalty to the group in some
way. This could be in the form of "dobbing" on fellow members (including
family) under the guise of looking out for "spiritual welfare".
<P>They may be required to deliberately lie (heavenly deception/theocratic
strategy) or give up their lives by refusing some form of medical treatment.
</P>
<P></P></LI>
<LI>Attempts to leave or reveal embarrassing facts about the group may be met
with threats. Some may have taken oaths of loyalty that involve their lives or
have signed a "covenant" and feel threatened by this.
<P>Refugees of the group are usually faced with confrontations by other
members with coercion to get them to return to the group. </P></LI></OL>
<P><A name=6>
<H3>SOME ABUSES OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:-</H3></A>
<P></P>
<P>1. <EM>ABUSE OF INDIVIDUALITY</EM> They adopt a "groupness" mentality. They
are not permitted to think for themselves apart from the group and only accept
what they are told. </P>
<P>2. <EM>ABUSE OF INTIMACY</EM> Relationships with friends, relatives, spouses,
children, parents etc are broken or seriously hampered. </P>
<P>3. <EM>ABUSE OF FINANCES</EM> Pressure to give all you can to the group. In
non-communal groups, members usually live at the lower socio-economic strata,
not because of a lower income level, but because they are always giving money to
the group for some reason. </P>
<P>4. <EM>"US VERSUS THEM" MENTALITY</EM> Isolation from the community in
general. Anyone and everything outside the group is seen as "of the devil" or
"unenlightened" etc. Their enemies now include former friends; the Christian
church; governments; education systems; the media - the world in general. Those
who are involved with these in any way see such involvement as a "means to an
end". </P>
<P>5. <EM>ABUSE OF TIME AND ENERGY</EM> The group controls and uses almost all
the members time and energy in group activities. They are usually in a constant
state of mental and physical exhaustion. </P>
<P>6. <EM>ABUSE OF FREE WILL</EM> They must unquestioning submit to the groups
teachings and directions and their own free will is broken. Their "will"
actually becomes the groups "will" without their realizing it. This is done
either by coercive methods including low protein diets and lack of sleep, or
over a period of time through intimidation. Both methods make heavy use of
"guilt". </P>
<P><A name=7>
<H3>RESULTS OF THIS ABUSE </H3></A>
<P></P>
<OL>
<LI><EM>PERSONALITY CHANGES </EM><BR>Relatives will say they no longer
recognize the person. From a warm, loving personality will come heaped abuse,
rejection and feelings of hate. The cult member sees himself as "righteous" in
comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders.
<P></P></LI>
<LI><EM>LOSS OF IDENTITY </EM><BR>They cannot see themselves as individuals
apart from the group. Some even change their name as a rejection of their
former life.
<P></P></LI>
<LI><EM>PARANOID - WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED </EM><BR>Any time you say anything
negative about the group, whether justified or no, it is regarded as
"persecution". Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution
only because they are the "true Christian" or "enlightened" one - not because
they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing. However, at the same time
they will feel free to criticise whatever you believe, say and do because they
are "the only ones who are right".
<P></P></LI>
<LI><EM>SOCIAL DISORIENTATION </EM><BR>They lose their ability to socialize
outside the group. This can go so far as to not being able to structure their
time or make simple decisions for themselves when they leave.
<P>Their world-view alters and they perceive the world through their leaders
eyes. They become very naive about life in general. </P>
<P></P></LI>
<LI><EM>SEVERE GUILT COMPLEXES </EM><BR>They are made to feel guilty of
everything they did before entering the group and are to strive to be "good"
and "worthy" for "eternal life". Misdemeanors are made into "mountains" so
that members are in a constant state of guilt for infringing even the most
minor rules. Guilt comes because they aren't doing enough; entertaining doubts
or questions; even thinking rationally for oneself.
<P>This guilt is piled upon pile with new rules constantly being laid down
about what is sinful and what is not. Illness may be seen as lack of faith -
more guilt. Emotional illness may be seen as proof of sin in your life - more
guilt. </P></LI></OL>
<P><A name=8>
<H3>SUMMARY</H3></A>
<P></P>
<P>Not all these points will be found in every cult, but all cults will have
some if not most of them, although these may vary to some degree. </P>
<P></P>
<ADDRESS>Copyright 1985, 1991 Jan Groenveld <BR>Internet Address:
py1013@student.uq.edu.au <BR>Mail: PO Box 2444 Mansfield Q 4122
Australia<BR></ADDRESS>
<P><EM>Reproduction is permitted only if text is intact. The above identifying
information must be left intact.</EM> </P></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=metzler@moscow.com href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 06, 2006 12:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Donavan,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think it has been characteristic for you to turn the
real situation upside down. The Kirk as an isolated, special group of
people, as a specially bounded culture, is the product of <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> and then the
product of the resulting Kirk itself. Who, for instance, came up with the very
idea of ‘the Kirk?’ The Kirk is what has drawn its own walls around itself, at
times in explicit ways. The idea of any possible criticism of Doug Wilson
qua Doug Wilson or even just a criticism of something he said is constantly
turned into a persecuting attack against an identifiable “group” by the Kirk and
by Wilson himself. All this originates with the pseudo-cult leader
himself. On the sociological level, this is why your analysis breaks down
to the degree it does. The Kirk is not “a religion” at this point in time
but a cult; this is how it always goes with such small cults. It is the
cult leader who creates the boundary of the social group while society looks on
with curiosity or else criticism. The foundation of a cult like this is
the manufactured, isolated ‘culture;’ it is the sociology of the thing.
“Persecution” is the imaginative construct the cult leader intentionally gives
to any arbitrary dynamic between the group and people outside the group.
The real mechanism here is a social one; “religion” is always just a tool the
cult leader uses for his social goals. I’m sure there are analogies to be
drawn this way or that to religious wars, etc, and there might be true
subtleness to your account that this paragraph does not capture. But certainly,
the connotations of your claims of religious persecution give more darkness than
light to the situation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Michael Metzler <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Joe,<BR><BR>If that is what you meant, then why not say
that. I am willing to bet there are numerous differences in religious beliefs
between you and Doug Wilson and those that attack him.<BR><BR>One I can think of
is his dispersion of alcohol to children during a religious ceremony. There was
big stink over that. <BR><BR>Another is their believes about homosexuality. I
recall you having a few posts in response of that.<BR><BR>Another has been the
role of women in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> many of you have attacked.
<BR><BR>Another has been if the Church deserves tax free status, like other
Churches. <BR><BR>Another is Slavery.<BR><BR>Another is Calvinism. <BR><BR>I do
think you bring up a good point though, Joe. I don't ever remember hearing any
speeches by Hitler stating precisely any problems he has with Judaism, but I
don't think anyone would argue he didn't persecute them for being Jewish.
<BR><BR>If you attack a group of people and use their church as their
identifying marker, such as, "Kirkers are", "All Catholics are", "Mormons
have", etc, that is religious discrimination, regardless of how much or little
you get into the details of that church. <BR><BR>Your statement,<BR>"As far as I
can tell, all of us are on the same team, e.g., we're all
Christians."<BR><BR>Shows a complete misunderstanding of religious persecution
and ignorance of the history of religious persecution. For over a thousand years
Christians have attacked other Christians, Protestants and Catholics. The actual
differences between Catholics and Protestants in practice is so tiny it takes a
good long theological debate to find them. <BR><BR>When you treat any group or
people, or person, differently because of a church they belong to, that is
religious discrimination. Period. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA
<BR><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Joe
Campbell <<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">joekc@adelphia.net</st1:PersonName>></SPAN></I></B> wrote:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have looked at his blog. I've talked to him personally
about this and other issues. More to the point, I'm not making accusations about
Michael's character that I have failed to even attempt to support. <BR><BR>So
no, Donovan, you are the one who needs to get clear on these issues. If you want
to suggest that all of this is a matter of religious persecution, then please
tell me the particular differences in RELIGIOUS views between Michael and Doug
Wilson. Or between Keely and Doug Wilson. Or between J Ford and Doug Wilson. Or
even between myself and Doug Wilson, for that matter. If you can't do this, then
stop making those accusations.<BR><BR>As far as I can tell, all of us are on the
same team, e.g., we're all Christians. I'm not saying that there aren't
differences here, I just don't see how one can classify them as RELIGIOUS
differences. If you are going to say that they are religious differences, then
support the claim in some way.<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Donovan
Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005 @yahoo.com="">wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Joe,<BR><BR>Might I suggest you take at look at his
blog or ask him yourself.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>Joe Campbell <JOEKC
@adelphia.net="">wrote: I'm just wondering, Donovan, what exactly are the
RELIGIOUS beliefs that folks at CC endorse with which Michael
disagrees?<BR><BR>Best, Joe<BR><BR>---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Michael,<BR><BR>I really think you need to find a new
hobby besides bashing members of a church you disagree with. It cannot be
healthy.<BR><BR>Yes, I am sure you can find lots of outrageous, offense,
frustrating, and arguably unfair beliefs and practices of <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. But you know, they are by far not
the biggest or worst religion. And they also do a lot of good for the community.
<BR><BR>Take my church for example. It is headed by a former Nazi who later
masterminded a conspiracy to protect the largest number of child molesters in
the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United
States</st1:place></st1:country-region> by moving them around from parish to
parish. He oppresses woman, and preaches that gays are immoral. He has more
followers than any other religion, including in this town. There is another
religion that kills homosexuals and launches violent attacks against people that
even draw a cartoon of their God. <BR><BR>Nobody is forcing you to believe or
practice what you want. And likewise, nobody has to justify their personal
religious beliefs and actions to you. If you don't agree with their words and
actions you are free to join another religion or start one of your own.
<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR>Michael wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Donavan! What are you
saying?<BR><BR>Story line again:<BR><BR>Kirkers insult community; Kirkers have
big theonomist, take over eschatology. <BR><BR>Community critiques Kirkers as
any community would.<BR><BR>Kirkers unable to rationally defend themselves
against criticism; they instead lie.<BR><BR>Kirkers continue to insult.
<BR><BR>Insults mount from both directions, and through all the smoke, not one
meaningful and true response is found from the Kirk.<BR><BR>This is the story,
and this is my point.<BR><BR>You, Donavan, are becoming more mysterious as the
months drag on. But hey, that’s ok; I’ll still be your friend.
Even if you just might have defending the Nazi’s against the persecution
from the Jews! And remember, I still have friends in the Kirk. Call me
Shindler….<BR><BR>Michael<BR><BR><BR>Michael,<BR><BR>You
wrote:<BR><BR>"Does not anyone at the Kirk have a rational, argumentative point
to be made about the constant and varied public criticism against
them?"<BR><BR>Like I said, I think you guys should just take your case to the
city council to require all members of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> be given a giant bright yellow star
to wear on their arm so we can easily recognize them.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA
<BR><BR>Michael wrote: <BR><BR>Lucy Jones writes:<BR><BR><BR><BR>“If it's
not interesting, you could *advertise* it on V2020 the way other bloggers do who
need more<BR><BR>attention.”<BR><BR><BR>I am unceasingly dumfounded at how
kirkers can continue to make veiled and slanderous comments even when they are
continually exposed for what they are. Just this morning I located another kirk
blog linked to my site that revealed yet another misquote. Dale Cortney still
refuses to pull an intentional misquote from my blog that has now been up for
months. This is amazing. After 8 months, and every kirk attack has been in the
form of bald falsehood, nonsensical ridicule, or else strong critique of
strawed-man quotes ripped out of context. Does not anyone at the Kirk have a
rational, argumentative point to be made about the constant and varied public
criticism against them? Outside of the silly “persecution”
ploy?<BR><BR>As for this quote: this has become one of the steady anti-pooh
mantras that kirkers sooth themselves with. So please allow me just this one
time to quickly and modestly point out the relevant fact that my readership is
as strong as Peter Leithart’s; you might recall how <st1:City
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City> boasted about Leithart’s blog in his sermon
when explaining why he was the truly anointed one in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. Apparently, the
kind of “interest” Leithart’s blog gets is evidence for the
fact that YHWH will defend the Kirk against its local enemies; I guess I now
have evidence that YHWH is routing for me too. In sum, I certainly
haven’t sent links to Vision 2020 to keep a “needed”
readership (putting aside the claims that I have a mental disorder); I just like
local readership more than non-local, given the common topic of my blog (which,
by the way, is only about 40% Kirk stuff these days). <BR><BR>Dear kirkers, say
something true and meaningful. <BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Michael Metzler
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