When a 3 bedroom apartment is going for $1000 a month in a small Idaho town, there is not a huge vacancy rate.<br> <br> People want houses because spending $1000 on an apartment is ridiculous when you can get a $200K mortgage for $800 a month. Rent is money down the drain and $1000 a month is nothing to gawk at for most people. Moscow needs a lot more housing. Not to mention a lot of these old large houses converted to 4-8 apartments need to be torn down or renovated. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Matt Decker <mattd2107@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> J,<br><br>Where are all of the people moving to Moscow living at then, I doubt its all <br>boarding houses. I too talk to the local property owners and am willing to <br>bet, a hell of a lot more than you. Most will not say that apartments are <br>30- 50% vacant. In fact if
your statement is true then why on gods green <br>earth are contractors willing to sell the farm to build more and more <br>duplexes and condos?<br><br>Please J, your assumptions don't scare me.<br><br>Matt<br><br><br>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 @hotmail.com=""><br>>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Market Over Flooded<br>>Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:29:49 -0700<br>><br>>Uh, yes I did talk to the property managing entities in Moscow...those were<br>>their numbers, not mine.<br>><br>>Just because ONE segment is doing ok, does not make them all doing ok.<br>>Remember, we lost a good number of students this year and if you talk to <br>>the<br>>housing people, THEY are not thrilled with the lack of students choosing to<br>>go else-where for their housing.<br>><br>>I do not believe we need additional housing when it is obvious we have so<br>>many houses up for sale right now and so many apartments and dorms
that are<br>>empty.<br>><br>>And Schwitzer is only ONE employer. They certainly can not continue to <br>>hire<br>>ALL the people that need work in this area. Seems to me that's relying on <br>>a<br>>single employer to cure the ills of the employment segment...isn't that <br>>what<br>>has been happening with the UI? Look what happened there.<br>><br>>You can disagree, that's fine. And to make you feel better, I do not<br>>personally feel those new apts on "A" street are all that ugly. At least<br>>they are not falling apart and they seemingly are clean.<br>><br>><br>>J :]<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 @hotmail.com=""><br>> >To: privatejf32@hotmail.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Market Over Flooded<br>> >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:25:38 -0700<br>> ><br>> >J,<br>> ><br>> >J, hold you assumptions for a
minute. Do you ask owners of big complexes<br>> >around town and ask them if their apartments are empty or full? Or maybe <br>>as<br>> >you would say 35% unvacant. Do you realize that schweitzer is employing<br>> >more<br>> >and more all the time? More and more people have found Idahos' beauty?<br>> ><br>> >Maybe just maybe the market has hit a two month downfall (which any<br>> >rightminded person knew would happen), this however, does not mean we<br>> >should<br>> >not strive towards more growth.<br>> ><br>> >Just another note. I have spoken to the owner of all those "ugly<br>> >apartments"<br>> >on A street, that people on the vizz love to complain about. He has told <br>>me<br>> >numerous times those apartments are full 99% of the time. State facts J <br>>not<br>> >assumptions.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > >From: "J Ford"
<privatejf32 @hotmail.com=""><br>> > >To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Market Over Flooded<br>> > >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:21:51 -0700<br>> > ><br>> > >Hey, good question.<br>> > ><br>> > >Follow-up question: Since the housing market around town right now <br>>seems<br>> > >to be flooded with houses for sale and rentals/apartments at 30-50%<br>> >vacant,<br>> > >not to mention the dorms at almost 35% vacancy and the enrollment at UI<br>> > >down and NO new manufacturing or large business moving into the area<br>> > >anytime soon - with all that going on, why in all that is Green do we<br>> >need<br>> > >another housing development that would put 45-70 new homes on the <br>>already<br>> > >saturated market, especially since they will START at $200K?<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> >
>J :]<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > >>From: "Art Deco" <deco @moscow.com=""><br>> > >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] downtown: Moscow/Pullman Hwy. Mall?<br>> > >>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:03:06 -0700<br>> > >><br>> > >>There seems to be a lot of new, empty shop and office space available.<br>> > >><br>> > >>Does anybody have a fact based theory about why this is so?<br>> > >><br>> > >>W.<br>> > >>----- Original Message -----<br>> > >>From: Ted Moffett<br>> > >>To: roger hayes<br>> > >>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > >>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:20 PM<br>> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] downtown: Moscow/Pullman Hwy. Mall?<br>> > >><br>> >
>><br>> > >><br>> > >>Roger wrote:<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> The question I pose is, why when we open more lanes of travel does <br>>it<br>> > >> seem to breed more cars? One would think having more lanes of <br>>travel<br>> > >> would dilute the volume. The movie axiom seems to apply. "If you<br>> >build<br>> > >> it, they will come."<br>> > >><br>> > >> Roger Hayes<br>> > >><br>> > >>And as often happens on Vision2020, no one yet has addressed your<br>> > >>explicitly posed question.<br>> > >><br>> > >>One way to view why bigger roads and highways encourage more traffic <br>>is<br>> > >>from Business 101. Businesses look to find a spot to situate where <br>>they<br>> > >>expect they can grow, so they take a
look at the potential traffic <br>>flow,<br>> > >>i.e. customer flow. So when a road or highway is expanded to allow <br>>more<br>> > >>traffic, businesses will locate there hoping to draw more customers,<br>> > >>which, if the business advertises successfully and/or has services<br>> >and/or<br>> > >>products the public wants, is exactly what happens, expanding traffic.<br>> > >><br>> > >>I'm not sure this explains an increase in traffic, if this has <br>>happened,<br>> > >>on the new Washington St. section, but perhaps the increased speed of<br>> > >>traffic is explained by the nicer smoother surface encouraging a <br>>little<br>> > >>more weight on the gas pedal.<br>> > >><br>> > >>But who doubts for a moment that the proposed "mall" on the<br>> >Moscow/Pullman<br>> > >>Hwy., on the Washington St. side,
was planned with the expectation <br>>that<br>> > >>once the new expanded Moscow/Pullman Hwy. was completed, the traffic <br>>and<br>> > >>customer flow to the shopping center would be much larger than it <br>>would<br>> > >>have been with the old Moscow/Pullman Hwy?<br>> > >><br>> > >>I recall looking up the plans for this proposed mall, which was<br>> >discussed<br>> > >>in some detail on Vision2020, on a website that I cannot locate now...<br>> > >><br>> > >>Does anyone know if the mall on the Washington St. side of the<br>> > >>Moscow/Pullman Hwy. is still going forward?<br>> > >><br>> > >>Ted Moffett<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > <br>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > >><br>> >
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