Joe,<br> <br> The morality issue here is the target. Targeting babies for killing is different than targeting murderous men. <br> <br> There is a difference between targeting Hitler who committed many crimes against humanity and targeting a baby. <br> <br> Sure in war it is inevitable that some innocent person might get killed. However, the total loss of life without the elimination of Hitler would be greater and there lies the justification. Targeting a baby for murder does not minimize killing and suffering. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Donovan,<br><br>Are you suggesting that the only folks who die during war are goons? In the Iraq War, so far, over 100,000 Iraqis have died. Certainly there are some children, pregnant women, etc. in that group.<br><br>My main point is that you
cannot coherently believe that innocent lives should never be taken without being a pacifist.<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""> wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Joe,<br> <br> There is a huge difference between war and abortion. Abortion directly targets an innocent human being, a particular one that isn't doing anything to anybody. <br> <br> I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but I do understand the difference between targeting a henchman and his goons vs. that of a baby.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br>Joe Campbell <joekc @adelphia.net=""> wrote:So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?<br><br>Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people -- even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart
bomb?<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Tony Simpson wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position, <br>rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all, <br>everyone accepts it. Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how long <br>it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.<br><br>It used to be acceptable to marginalize and brutalize African Americans. So <br>too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years. Society has been <br>dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court. (Dred Scott) There have <br>always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well as <br>those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do. <br>Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp. Someday he will be <br>recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.<br><br>We can choose to swallow his convoluted and
morally bankrupt conclusions, or <br>we can think for ourselves and listen to our collective conscience. The <br>choice is ours. History will record those who stood for right and justice <br>as well as those who enabled brutality.<br><br><br>"There is a dangerous silence today. A silence that allows evil to <br>flourish." -M.L.K.<br><br>"Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of <br>eaven." -Jesus<br><br>-T<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: <br>To: <br>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...<br><br><br>> Greetings:<br>><br>> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!<br>><br>> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous <br>> violinist<br>> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous article <br>> for<br>> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."<br>><br>> The power of Thomson's argument
is that the violinist is a person, but our<br>> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a person <br>> only<br>> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court <br>> decision of<br>> 1973.<br>><br>> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at<br>> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm.<br>><br>> Nick Gier<br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>><br>><br>><br>> -- <br>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 09/22/2006<br>><br>>
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