Joe,<br> <br> If the US chose not to go to war with Hitler, would the alternative to that have been peace?<br> <br> I think the goal of war is peace. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> I think that the alternative to war is called peace, Tony.<br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Tony Simpson <tonytime @clearwire.net=""> wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Joe, there is a non lethal alternative to abortion - adoption. There is, <br>unfortunately, no escaping collateral damage during time of war. I <br>therefore see no parallel between the two.<br><br>Best, -T<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc @adelphia.net=""><br>To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime @clearwire.net=""><br>Cc: <nickgier @adelphia.net="">; <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:44
PM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...<br><br><br>> So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of <br>> innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?<br>><br>> Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in <br>> Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people -- <br>> even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart bomb?<br>><br>> --<br>> Joe Campbell<br>><br>> ---- Tony Simpson <tonytime @clearwire.net=""> wrote:<br>><br>> =============<br>> Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position,<br>> rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all,<br>> everyone accepts it. Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how <br>> long<br>> it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.<br>><br>> It used to be acceptable to
marginalize and brutalize African Americans. <br>> So<br>> too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years. Society has been<br>> dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court. (Dred Scott) There <br>> have<br>> always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well <br>> as<br>> those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do.<br>> Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp. Someday he will be<br>> recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.<br>><br>> We can choose to swallow his convoluted and morally bankrupt conclusions, <br>> or<br>> we can think for ourselves and listen to our collective conscience. The<br>> choice is ours. History will record those who stood for right and justice<br>> as well as those who enabled brutality.<br>><br>><br>> "There is a dangerous silence today. A silence that allows evil to<br>> flourish."
-M.L.K.<br>><br>> "Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of<br>> eaven." -Jesus<br>><br>> -T<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: <nickgier @adelphia.net=""><br>> To: <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...<br>><br>><br>>> Greetings:<br>>><br>>> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!<br>>><br>>> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous<br>>> violinist<br>>> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous <br>>> article<br>>> for<br>>> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."<br>>><br>>> The power of Thomson's argument is that the violinist is a person, but <br>>> our<br>>> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a <br>>>
person<br>>> only<br>>> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court<br>>> decision of<br>>> 1973.<br>>><br>>> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at<br>>> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm.<br>>><br>>> Nick Gier<br>>><br>>> =======================================================<br>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>>> =======================================================<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -- <br>>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>>> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: <br>>> 09/22/2006<br>>><br>>><br>><br>>
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