Joe,<br> <br> There is a huge difference between war and abortion. Abortion directly targets an innocent human being, a particular one that isn't doing anything to anybody. <br> <br> I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but I do understand the difference between targeting a henchman and his goons vs. that of a baby.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?<br><br>Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people -- even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart bomb?<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Tony Simpson <tonytime @clearwire.net=""> wrote:
<br><br>=============<br>Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position, <br>rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all, <br>everyone accepts it. Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how long <br>it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.<br><br>It used to be acceptable to marginalize and brutalize African Americans. So <br>too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years. Society has been <br>dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court. (Dred Scott) There have <br>always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well as <br>those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do. <br>Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp. Someday he will be <br>recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.<br><br>We can choose to swallow his convoluted and morally bankrupt conclusions, or <br>we can think for ourselves and
listen to our collective conscience. The <br>choice is ours. History will record those who stood for right and justice <br>as well as those who enabled brutality.<br><br><br>"There is a dangerous silence today. A silence that allows evil to <br>flourish." -M.L.K.<br><br>"Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of <br>eaven." -Jesus<br><br>-T<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: <nickgier @adelphia.net=""><br>To: <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...<br><br><br>> Greetings:<br>><br>> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!<br>><br>> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous <br>> violinist<br>> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous article <br>> for<br>> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."<br>><br>> The power of Thomson's argument is that the
violinist is a person, but our<br>> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a person <br>> only<br>> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court <br>> decision of<br>> 1973.<br>><br>> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at<br>> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm.<br>><br>> Nick Gier<br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>><br>><br>><br>> -- <br>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 09/22/2006<br>><br>>
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