<pre><tt>"I do not know what has happened in his life to make his only apparent <br>pleasure that of attacking others and then defending those attacks in manner <br>consistent with the tactics of a win-at-any-cost high school debate <br>team or those of the <span style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">soulless, voracious Christless Church Cult</span>."--Wayne Fox</span><br style="background-color: transparent;"><br>Anyone in the class want to point out the irony in this statement?<br><br>Thanks for the psych report conspiracy man who never attacks others with words like<br>soulless, voracious Christless Church Cult, in an email titled<br>Donovan a Liar, idiot, or both. No doubt your benevolence and fairness is the way to go.<br>Anyone that disagrees with Wayne is obviously a psychotic. Anyone that agrees with Wayne is intelligent.<br>Any general election that does not comport with what Wayne Fox believes was rigged.<br><br>See you
after the aliens controlling the government land Wayne. Would<br>love to stay and talk, but I got to go to sleep so I get up for my job, where<br>I was just given a raise. <br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA <br></tt></pre> <br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> I can only repeat what has been said in the past.<br><br>There are times, especially a few years ago, when Donovan has demonstrated <br>intelligence, wit, fairness, and a fundamental ability to reason in a not <br>disingenuous manner. Even now, that ability sometimes peeks out, then <br>disappears very quickly.<br><br>For one, I am sorry that Donovan's great talents have turned to waste. I do <br>not know what has happened in his life to make his only apparent pleasure <br>that of attacking others and then defending those attacks in manner <br>consistent with the tactics of a
win-at-any-cost high school debate team or <br>those of the soulless, voracious Christless Church Cult.<br><br>I also hope that somehow, hopefully and mostly through his own efforts, his <br>life can be changed so that the toxins that pollute it now will be expelled <br>and replaced with the elixir of joy.<br><br>If that happens, then we would hope to see the more talented Donovan to <br>reappear regardless of the positions he espouses. Donovan's talents before <br>his personal catastrophes (whatever they were) greatly exceed those of the <br>unintellectual sludge he associates with -- Ed Iverson, Dale Courtney, the <br>portly Doug Twins of the cult, etc. It is a shame that Donovan has chosen <br>to associate with, at least tactics-wise, this posse of misfits, hypocrites, <br>and liars.<br><br>Let's all hope that Donovan can somehow return to being a happy, rational <br>being. If nothing else, it would certainly improve his employment prospects <br>on the Palouse and
his prospects of making and retaining friends.<br><br><br>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>deco@moscow.com<br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam @hotmail.com=""><br>To: <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:14 AM<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Donovan: Liar, Idiot, or both?<br><br><br>> Donovan,<br>><br>> First, you are a liar. You lie that you only attack those who attack you.<br>> You launched this recent character assassination, now joined by Dick<br>> Sherwin, after I asked you a simple question.<br>><br>> You lie about my opinions and statements. Here, picked at random from the<br>> list of links you provided, is one of my posts:<br>><br>> 'Dick,<br>><br>> Is torture illegal? Is the President allowed to permit torture? Are he <br>> or<br>> those who torture in our name immune from prosecution?<br>><br>> Sunil'<br>><br>> Please explain, if you can,
how this is support of terrorists or enemies <br>> of<br>> the United States. Of course you may be busy lobbying the Senate to <br>> support<br>> the Administration's bill to set up kangaroo courts and permit evidence<br>> obtaied by torture right now. Quick, attack Colin Powell too for opposing<br>> torture and the violation of the Geneva Conventions. Even he can't stay <br>> on<br>> board with this stuff any longer.<br>><br>> Dick, your statements simply show you cannot understand the idea that we<br>> have the right and duty to stand up for what we believe, and that people <br>> who<br>> love this country and its principles do not necessarily agree with you. <br>> The<br>> road to a totalitarian state will be paved by people who don't understand<br>> the need for honest dialog and criticism of government.<br>><br>> Donovan, I can see how your maturity and breadth of life experience<br>> qualifies you to give
career advice. I shall give it all the attention it<br>> deserves. For my part, I wouldn't put you in charge of cleaning catboxes <br>> or<br>> diapers, work for which you seemed qualified earlier. You would eat the<br>> shit and then spew it on this listserve as you have been doing.<br>><br>> When you are no longer a fool, it will show in your posts. When you can<br>> attack my ideas by analysing what I've actually said, I'll be surprised.<br>> It's easier for you to lie and proclaim your idiocy than it is to actually<br>> do any work.<br>><br>> Prove your points or shut up, windbag.<br>><br>> Sunil<br>><br>><br>>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam @hotmail.com="">, vision2020@moscow.com<br>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and<br>>>ConvictedChild Molesters<br>>>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:30:34 -0700
(PDT)<br>>><br>>>Sunil,<br>>><br>>> I don't disagree with defending the rights of the accused. I disagree<br>>>with giving any rights at all to convicted and self admitted child<br>>>molesters over the rights of others. If someone is accused of child<br>>>molestation, they should get the best defense possible. But after that,<br>>>shy of a mistrial or rigged trail, lawyers shouldn't be arguing, in court<br>>>or on-line that they should be free to go to another city, unsupervised,<br>>>that is FUBAR. To me, that is supporting Child Molesters over the rights<br>>>of children and other potential victims. I don't care your logic, that<br>>>self admitted and convicted child molesters should have those rights.<br>>>PERIOD.<br>>><br>>> Second, I would never support putting you in charge of the nation's<br>>>security. I listed plenty of emails that indicate your position
on<br>>>terrorists. It is my opinion, Sunil, that the tone and language of your<br>>>emails combined, over time, indicate you sympathize with the plight of<br>>>the majority of these individuals that wish real harm to Americans and<br>>>Westerns. Others are entitled to look at those 20+ emails over the last 3<br>>>years and think otherwise. It is my opinion that any foreigner that <br>>>states<br>>>they wish real harm to the United States, its elected leaders, its <br>>>people,<br>>>or its property, and has the ability to act on that statement, the<br>>>military has the duty to detain that foreigner until her/she is no longer<br>>>poses a threat. It is called National Security. National Security and the<br>>>prevention of an immediate harm and death of the innocent take precedence<br>>>over that of individual freedom of movement of US enemies.<br>>><br>>> Nobody is
putting a gun to your head to represent convicted and<br>>>self-admitted child molesters. That is your choice, and yours only. <br>>>Nobody<br>>>is forcing you to sympathize with the rights of people who say "Death to<br>>>America". You could choose to represent the elderly, disabled, or <br>>>millions<br>>>of other poor children that are wronged everyday in this country with no<br>>>shortage of work and just as little pay.<br>>><br>>> You spend way to much time on Vision2020 defending these people.<br>>><br>>> But again, I am not going to argue with you. As you could argue the<br>>>number of the dimples on a golf ball only number two, that is what you <br>>>do.<br>>>I am not good at legal argumentation, I cannot even spell half the time.<br>>>But I can tell you my opinion is that convicted child molesters should <br>>>not<br>>>go anywhere unsupervised and that
terrorists wish harm and can will bring<br>>>harm to the US should be set free because of some legal argument, tell<br>>>that to victims of 911. Your statements, so frequently and intensely, as<br>>>you do on a public forum, in my opinion, is defending them, not their<br>>>actions, but them.<br>>><br>>> Best,<br>>><br>>> _DJA<br>><br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br>
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