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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You are more and more shrill and it is chilling to
read the slanderous and dreadful things you think. Please pull yourself
together and try to be civil.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yours,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Betsy</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] attacks
that really matter</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><PRE><TT>Keely writes:<BR><BR>"We fear dark-skinned men of Middle Eastern descent because of the vicious <BR>actions of a few, but most of white America would be loath to hold Anglo men in <BR>wary suspicion, even though white youths are the ones committing school <BR>shootings and middle-aged white men are looting the pensions of American workers <BR>through Enron and other white-collar acts of economic violence."<BR><BR>What race baiting bullshit! When you are losing on a issue blame it on discrimination?<BR><BR>This has nothing to do with any person's race. It has to do with people being terrorists and<BR>killing other innocent people. Terrorists come in all races.<BR><BR>And for your information, I am too much of an idiot to know what race Sunil is. <BR>I still don't, and you know what, I don't care. It is not the issue at hand. <BR><BR>And yes, I do think Keely caused the defeat of the MSD Bond. I had<BR>people all over this town telling me, by email, in person, etc,
they<BR>cannot stand her and that is why they voted against the school levy. Dale Courtney<BR>loves her because she is the one that lowered his taxes. <BR><BR>Maybe she can link that to discrimination against women, or housewives or something. It<BR>doesn't have to make sense, nothing out of her ever does. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR></TT></PRE><BR><BR><B><I>keely
emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></I></B> wrote:
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">People
write me off list or call me to ask why I ever respond to Donovan,
<BR>particularly when he goes off the edge and accuses me of things like
<BR>destroying MSD by turning two-thirds of our neighbors against public
<BR>education -- singlehandedly. (Gee, and I had hoped to use my powers for
<BR>good, not evil. Bummer it didn't work out that way. Dang.)<BR><BR>On a
more serious note, let me just say that I am disinclined to respond to
<BR>Donovan when he writes about me, or about things that have no real
<BR>consequence. But there are things that Donovan says via Vision 2020 that
<BR>could, potentially, result in very real consequences. One of them is his
<BR>slanderous attacks against Sunil Ramalingam.<BR><BR>The political
climate of the day is dangerous. It's dangerous to engage in <BR>public
criticism of our government, it's dangerous to defend people at home <BR>and
abroad who are victims of any form of oppression the White House doesn't
<BR>recognize as terrorism, and it's dangerous, frankly, to be very
different <BR>from your neighbor. By "dangerous," I don't mean that
jack-booted thugs <BR>will automatically drag you from your house, or that
roaming bands of <BR>vigilantes will beat you to a bloody pulp. I do mean
that there is a <BR>climate of hatred and hysteria in the U.S. now that
makes speaking out <BR>against any part of our "war on terrorism" risky to
one's reputation, <BR>livelihood, and perhaps even one's physical safety in
some communities.<BR><BR>We've defined the "other," and we presume to know
who he is simply because <BR>of a facet of "otherness" that we believe we've
identified. We fear <BR>dark-skinned men of Middle Eastern descent because
of the vicious actions of <BR>a few, but most of white America would be
loath to hold Anglo men in wary <BR>suspicion, even though white youths are
the ones committing school shootings <BR>and middle-aged white men are
looting the pensions of American workers <BR>through Enron and other
white-collar acts of economic violence. Even people <BR>I had considered to
be liberals acknowledge their unease and disgust with <BR>"them" (Muslims,
Middle-Eastern men, foreign students, Sikhs, or anyone else <BR>who looks,
believes, and acts differently while possessing skin darker than
<BR>theirs), and they do so with only the vaguest sense of remorse. It is
wrong <BR>in this or any other political climate to accuse someone of siding
with or <BR>defending terrorists without clear, incontrovertible proof that
that is, in <BR>fact, true. But if Sunil were, say, a freckled guy named
Kevin O'Reilly, I <BR>doubt that the sneering accusations would gather much
traction. That he <BR>isn't a towheaded Anglo guy ought to be neither here
nor there, but Sunil <BR>has volunteered that he has been called many ugly
things because of his race <BR>and coloration, and in a country obsessed
with finding "them" -- those <BR>seemingly normal-looking people who are
really out to hurt us -- such <BR>accusations of sympathy for terrorists are
particularly odious and <BR>particularly damaging. Read Dick Sherwin's
comments earlier today: the <BR>idea that perhaps Sunil is showing "his true
self" is, frankly, chilling in <BR>the context of the day.<BR><BR>I have
stated before that Sunil doesn't need my defense, nor has he ever <BR>asked
for it. I've seen Sunil twice in my life, and the most recent was <BR>last
month, at the sentencing of my friend Bob on drug charges. I love Bob
<BR>and I'm grateful for Sunil's work on his case; more than that, I think
that <BR>the work Sunil does represents the very best part of what makes
America <BR>different from nations groaning under the burden of fascist,
theological <BR>oppression. I would be morally wrong to remain silent when
his character is <BR>attacked -- even if it means engaging with Donovan. I'm
sorry he's as angry <BR>with me as he is, but he has my prayers anyway;
other than that, I spend <BR>little time thinking about it all.<BR><BR>The
stakes in this game are high, too high to assume that the maturity or
<BR>intelligence of the accuser in any way negates or mutes the effect on
the <BR>accused.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR>From: Donovan Arnold
<DONOVANJARNOLD2005 @yahoo.com=""><BR>To: keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1
@msn.com="">, sunilramalingam@hotmail.com,
<BR>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Keely -- not a
wielder of great power<BR>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:56:34 -0700
(PDT)<BR><BR>Keely,<BR><BR>For someone that claims they do not care what I
think or say you sure <BR>spend a lot of time addressing my
comments.<BR><BR>I NEVER referred to Sunil's defense of terrorists in
reference to his <BR>workplace. I was referring to his defense of terrorists
on Vision2020, I <BR>think I made that clear, repeatedly. If you read my
entire email and <BR>clicked the links I provided you would know
that.<BR><BR>As to the defense of already convicted child molesters, Sunil
has already <BR>stated that he does that. You agreed that was great and
important, that is <BR>your right, I don't agree with that.<BR><BR>As to
your ability to wield power, I think you have demonstrated a great <BR>deal
of power to destroy the Moscow School District and enrage its
<BR>supporters. MSD lost revenue and support to replace Russell and West
Park <BR>by attaching it to a financially irresponsible plan, that to me is
a great <BR>deal of power. I haven't know anyone to turn 63% of Moscow
against <BR>education, but you have that power
Keely.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1
@msn.com="">wrote: Donovan,<BR><BR>I couldn't care less what you think of
me, and I'm sure Sunil is not<BR>terribly bothered by what you think of him.
And I am well acquainted with<BR>the definition and criteria for slander. It
is slanderous for you to say<BR>that Sunil "defends terrorists,"
particularly given his position as a public<BR>defender. The context of
"defending" is, in this case, that he works as an<BR>attorney and "defender"
of those accused of crimes. Should you ever be<BR>accused of a crime, I
would presume that you would be cognizant of the<BR>importance of his
work.<BR><BR>I am a "master" of nothing, really, and if I wielded the power
to make<BR>people believe the sun really does come up in the West, my
kitchen would be<BR>a helluva lot cleaner right now, such would be my
influence over the<BR>teenagers living with me. Frankly, the only thing I
would do if I had such<BR>tremendous powers of persuasion would be to offer
to meet with you to<BR>discuss real issues like real adults. However, I
suspect that would be as<BR>fruitful as my clearing my plugged kitchen sink
by inhaling the contents of<BR>the drain, and only slightly less
unpleasant.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From: Donovan
Arnold<BR>To: Sunil Ramalingam , vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists<BR>andConvictedChild
Molesters<BR>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:02:45 -0700
(PDT)<BR><BR>Jackie,<BR><BR>I never stated that Sunil supports terrorism and
child molestation, that<BR>is preposterous, re-read what I wrote. I said he
defends those that do.<BR><BR>Keely,<BR><BR>The definition of slander is the
saying of something that is false and<BR>damaging. If it is true, it isn't
slander. Sunil himself admits to<BR>defending convicted child
molesters:<BR><BR><BR>"It is true that I defend convicted child molesters at
sentencing<BR><BR>hearings that occur after a client has been convicted by a
jury"<BR><BR>Sunil
Ramalingam--<BR>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-September/035436.html<BR><BR><BR>Sunil,<BR><BR>I
am not going to try and argue with you. For you are the master
of<BR>convincing the jury that the Sun really rises in the West depending on
ones<BR>point of view.<BR><BR>I am sure that you can argue that I got the
context wrong in some of <BR>your<BR>posts, but after 20+ such posts over
2.5 years it is hard to write all them<BR>off.<BR><BR>FYI, I did support
Sami Omar. He was living in UI Family Housing at the<BR>time he was
abducted. I represented Family Housing in the UI student<BR>government at
the time. I defended Sami in student council and even brought<BR>his family
there, which was even aired on public television. I kept in<BR>contact with
John Dickinson about what was going at the trial in Boise.<BR>That case is
different, because it was a domestic case and there was no<BR>evidence
whatsoever that Sami was a terrorist, in fact it all pointed in<BR>the
opposite direction. Further, Sami was not saying he was planning
on<BR>killing Americans when he gets out like those detained overseas. And,
at<BR>least one member of Sami's family was born right here in
Moscow.<BR><BR>I don't think the government can detain someone forever
without at least<BR>trying to find out if someone is guilty. But letting
them go if they say<BR>"Death to America" is just to risky when they are
capable of acting on it.<BR><BR>My disagreement with you Sunil, is that you
clearly are brilliant, yet<BR>rather than using your talents to defend
victims in our society, you use<BR>your wit and experience to defend
convicted child molesters.<BR><BR>I am not arguing you are not doing your
job, or you are not good at it.<BR>I am arguing that your job should be
something more productive and<BR>meaningful then the release of child
molesters and the scum of the earth<BR>when you know they are
guilty.<BR><BR>I am sure you with your big brain will justify that in your
own mind. <BR>But<BR>I think anyone with a heart will ask WHY the child
molesters get a good<BR>lawyer and trial when there are so many other more
deserving and wronged<BR>people with their rights being stepped on. They
should be a higher priority<BR>to you and any lawyer concerned about
justice.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
Tom,<BR><BR>It is true that I defend convicted child molesters at sentencing
hearings<BR>that occur after a client has been convicted by a jury (or a
judge in<BR>juvenile cases) at the sentencing hearing and in subsequent
legal<BR>proceedings, or at a post-conviction hearing filed by a client who
is<BR>usually in prison. If a convicted child molester is charged with a
new<BR>crime, then I may defend that person. As a public defender I don't
judge my<BR>clients; there is no shortage of people ready to do this
(regardless of how<BR>much or how little information they have about the
crime or the criminal)<BR>and it's not my place or job to do so. I try to
represent them to the best<BR>of my ability, and I don't apologize for
this.<BR><BR>I have never represented a convicted terrorist as a lawyer,
though I would<BR>were I to be appointed to do so or if I were retained to
do so. I did<BR>represent a witness in Sami al Hussein's case, and am happy
I was able to<BR>offer him assistance. Perhaps Donovan would like to insult
me for doing so.<BR><BR>As one who believes our judicial system has
underlying principles, I believe<BR>that all people who are held have the
right to due process and a fair and<BR>proper hearing. I do not believe that
we have the right to imprison people,<BR>no matter what we label them,
forever, or to try them in kangaroo courts.<BR>This is a defense of legal
principle and human rights. I consider it a<BR>defense of our country, and
the notion that we have enduring principles<BR>These are beliefs that
Donovan neither shares nor supports. He is a fan
of<BR>expedience.<BR><BR>Though Donovan does not support the Iraq war, he
appears to find the Bush<BR>Administration infallible once they arrest or
confine a Muslim. At that<BR>point he believes it is appropriate to hold
that person indefinately. I<BR>find this position shameful and disgusting,
and Donovan finds me repugnant<BR>because of this, I am willing to live with
the loss of his approval.<BR><BR>It is interesting to note the subject line
of Donovan's most recent post.<BR>He has claimed he only attacks those who
attack him. Most recently he<BR>incorrectly made fun of Keely's spelling; I
asked him if he wanted the same<BR>done to him. Since we all post all too
quickly, we all make spelling<BR>errors, and few of us would really want to
have our own posts criticized for<BR>our typos. This is the point I was
making.<BR><BR>Donovan, in the thoughtful and Christian response we have all
learned so<BR>well, responds by attacking my character in a way that has the
smallest germ<BR>of truth but is intended to be a slur. I have written him
offline and<BR>pointed out that hatred of Middle Easterners has often
resulted in racial<BR>slurs and threats being directed towards me; I have
told him that I consider<BR>his calling me a defender of terrorists could
actually be harmful to me.<BR>You see the effect (or is it 'affect'
Donovan?) my request has had on him.<BR><BR>Of course, this is the man, or
aging adolescent, who has suggested it would<BR>benefit the gene pool if
children were to die playing in construction sites<BR>that should be
off-limits if their parents fail to provide proper<BR>supervision, so I
would be foolish to expect better of him.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR><BR>>From:
"Tom Hansen"<BR>>To: "'Donovan Arnold'" , "'Sunil<BR>>Ramalingam'"
,<BR>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists
and<BR>>ConvictedChild Molesters<BR>>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:05:37
-0700<BR>><BR>>Arnold -<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Your statement,
here on a public listserve, that Sunil Ramalingam defends<BR>>convicted
child molesters and convicted terrorists, reflects upon
your<BR>lack<BR>>of maturity and sense of decency, and in virtually all
litigious circles<BR>>maybe considered
libelous.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Name ONE convicted child molester
which Sunil has defended!<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Name ONE convicted
terrorist which Sunil has defended!<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Failing
either of these requests, you owe Sunil a VERY meaningful and
<BR>VERY<BR>>public apology.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Tom
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