Keely,<br> <br> For someone that claims they do not care what I think or say you sure spend a lot of time addressing my comments. <br> <br> I NEVER referred to Sunil's defense of terrorists in reference to his workplace. I was referring to his defense of terrorists on Vision2020, I think I made that clear, repeatedly. If you read my entire email and clicked the links I provided you would know that. <br> <br> As to the defense of already convicted child molesters, Sunil has already stated that he does that. You agreed that was great and important, that is your right, I don't agree with that.<br> <br> As to your ability to wield power, I think you have demonstrated a great deal of power to destroy the Moscow School District and enrage its supporters. MSD lost revenue and support to replace Russell and West Park by attaching it to a financially irresponsible plan, that to me is a great deal of power. I haven't know anyone to turn 63% of Moscow against
education, but you have that power Keely. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Donovan,<br><br>I couldn't care less what you think of me, and I'm sure Sunil is not <br>terribly bothered by what you think of him. And I am well acquainted with <br>the definition and criteria for slander. It is slanderous for you to say <br>that Sunil "defends terrorists," particularly given his position as a public <br>defender. The context of "defending" is, in this case, that he works as an <br>attorney and "defender" of those accused of crimes. Should you ever be <br>accused of a crime, I would presume that you would be cognizant of the <br>importance of his work.<br><br>I am a "master" of nothing, really, and if I wielded the power to make <br>people believe the sun really does come up in the West, my
kitchen would be <br>a helluva lot cleaner right now, such would be my influence over the <br>teenagers living with me. Frankly, the only thing I would do if I had such <br>tremendous powers of persuasion would be to offer to meet with you to <br>discuss real issues like real adults. However, I suspect that would be as <br>fruitful as my clearing my plugged kitchen sink by inhaling the contents of <br>the drain, and only slightly less unpleasant.<br><br>keely<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam @hotmail.com="">, vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists <br>andConvictedChild Molesters<br>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT)<br><br>Jackie,<br><br> I never stated that Sunil supports terrorism and child molestation, that <br>is preposterous, re-read what I wrote. I said he defends those that do.<br><br> Keely,<br><br> The
definition of slander is the saying of something that is false and <br>damaging. If it is true, it isn't slander. Sunil himself admits to <br>defending convicted child molesters:<br><br><br>"It is true that I defend convicted child molesters at sentencing<br><br>hearings that occur after a client has been convicted by a jury"<br><br> Sunil Ramalingam-- <br>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-September/035436.html<br><br><br> Sunil,<br><br> I am not going to try and argue with you. For you are the master of <br>convincing the jury that the Sun really rises in the West depending on ones <br>point of view.<br><br> I am sure that you can argue that I got the context wrong in some of your <br>posts, but after 20+ such posts over 2.5 years it is hard to write all them <br>off.<br><br>FYI, I did support Sami Omar. He was living in UI Family Housing at the <br>time he was abducted. I represented Family Housing in the UI student <br>government at
the time. I defended Sami in student council and even brought <br>his family there, which was even aired on public television. I kept in <br>contact with John Dickinson about what was going at the trial in Boise. <br>That case is different, because it was a domestic case and there was no <br>evidence whatsoever that Sami was a terrorist, in fact it all pointed in <br>the opposite direction. Further, Sami was not saying he was planning on <br>killing Americans when he gets out like those detained overseas. And, at <br>least one member of Sami's family was born right here in Moscow.<br><br> I don't think the government can detain someone forever without at least <br>trying to find out if someone is guilty. But letting them go if they say <br>"Death to America" is just to risky when they are capable of acting on it.<br><br> My disagreement with you Sunil, is that you clearly are brilliant, yet <br>rather than using your talents to defend victims in our
society, you use <br>your wit and experience to defend convicted child molesters.<br><br> I am not arguing you are not doing your job, or you are not good at it. <br>I am arguing that your job should be something more productive and <br>meaningful then the release of child molesters and the scum of the earth <br>when you know they are guilty.<br><br> I am sure you with your big brain will justify that in your own mind. But <br>I think anyone with a heart will ask WHY the child molesters get a good <br>lawyer and trial when there are so many other more deserving and wronged <br>people with their rights being stepped on. They should be a higher priority <br>to you and any lawyer concerned about justice.<br><br> Best,<br><br> _DJA<br><br>Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam @hotmail.com=""> wrote: Tom,<br><br>It is true that I defend convicted child molesters at sentencing hearings<br>that occur after a client has been convicted by a jury (or a judge
in<br>juvenile cases) at the sentencing hearing and in subsequent legal<br>proceedings, or at a post-conviction hearing filed by a client who is<br>usually in prison. If a convicted child molester is charged with a new<br>crime, then I may defend that person. As a public defender I don't judge my<br>clients; there is no shortage of people ready to do this (regardless of how<br>much or how little information they have about the crime or the criminal)<br>and it's not my place or job to do so. I try to represent them to the best<br>of my ability, and I don't apologize for this.<br><br>I have never represented a convicted terrorist as a lawyer, though I would<br>were I to be appointed to do so or if I were retained to do so. I did<br>represent a witness in Sami al Hussein's case, and am happy I was able to<br>offer him assistance. Perhaps Donovan would like to insult me for doing so.<br><br>As one who believes our judicial system has underlying principles, I
believe<br>that all people who are held have the right to due process and a fair and<br>proper hearing. I do not believe that we have the right to imprison people,<br>no matter what we label them, forever, or to try them in kangaroo courts.<br>This is a defense of legal principle and human rights. I consider it a<br>defense of our country, and the notion that we have enduring principles<br>These are beliefs that Donovan neither shares nor supports. He is a fan of<br>expedience.<br><br>Though Donovan does not support the Iraq war, he appears to find the Bush<br>Administration infallible once they arrest or confine a Muslim. At that<br>point he believes it is appropriate to hold that person indefinately. I<br>find this position shameful and disgusting, and Donovan finds me repugnant<br>because of this, I am willing to live with the loss of his approval.<br><br>It is interesting to note the subject line of Donovan's most recent post.<br>He has claimed he only attacks
those who attack him. Most recently he<br>incorrectly made fun of Keely's spelling; I asked him if he wanted the same<br>done to him. Since we all post all too quickly, we all make spelling<br>errors, and few of us would really want to have our own posts criticized for<br>our typos. This is the point I was making.<br><br>Donovan, in the thoughtful and Christian response we have all learned so<br>well, responds by attacking my character in a way that has the smallest germ<br>of truth but is intended to be a slur. I have written him offline and<br>pointed out that hatred of Middle Easterners has often resulted in racial<br>slurs and threats being directed towards me; I have told him that I consider<br>his calling me a defender of terrorists could actually be harmful to me.<br>You see the effect (or is it 'affect' Donovan?) my request has had on him.<br><br>Of course, this is the man, or aging adolescent, who has suggested it would<br>benefit the gene pool if children
were to die playing in construction sites<br>that should be off-limits if their parents fail to provide proper<br>supervision, so I would be foolish to expect better of him.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><br> >From: "Tom Hansen"<br> >To: "'Donovan Arnold'" , "'Sunil<br> >Ramalingam'" ,<br> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and<br> >ConvictedChild Molesters<br> >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:05:37 -0700<br> ><br> >Arnold -<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >Your statement, here on a public listserve, that Sunil Ramalingam defends<br> >convicted child molesters and convicted terrorists, reflects upon your <br>lack<br> >of maturity and sense of decency, and in virtually all litigious circles<br> >maybe considered libelous.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >Name ONE convicted child molester which Sunil has defended!<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >Name ONE convicted terrorist which Sunil has defended!<br> ><br>
><br> ><br> >Failing either of these requests, you owe Sunil a VERY meaningful and VERY<br> >public apology.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >Tom Hansen<br> ><br> >Vandalville, Idaho<br> ><br><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> http://www.fsr.net<br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<br><br><br><br>---------------------------------<br>Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are <br>new messages.<br><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> http://www.fsr.net<br>
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