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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Vision2020 is a non-moderated forum. Like the
famous soapbox in Hyde Park, this forum is open to anyone. Those of us who
helped create V2020 hoped that the discussion would be enlightening and positive
and help build a sense of empowerment and community here in Moscow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are legal restrictions on speech that do
apply, primarily the issue of libel (knowing something is false and writing it
anyway with malice of intent).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, anyone who speaks through V2020 should expect
that other posts will counter and/or ridicule.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Other than those basics, the agreed-upon ground
rules (as I recall from several years ago) are:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>*maximum of two posts per day</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>*posting using the author's real name (not an
alias)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>*no name-calling</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you might have noticed, not all posts follow the
ground rules. That is part of the problem of a non-moderated
list.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do not see why a candid discussion of the merits
of any specific business should be off-limits on V2020.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BL</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=penn_place_boise@yahoo.com
href="mailto:penn_place_boise@yahoo.com">Pennsylvania Place</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] naming names</DIV>
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<DIV>I have a quick question about Vision2020 policy. I was taken to task
recently for several things I said. What bothered me the most about this
dressing down (other than being accused of being "Surely Pissedoff" -
actually, I am Jackie Woolf, don't you know?) was that it is seen by
some to be "against the rules" to name names about local "reputable"
businesses that I have a problem with. </DIV>
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<DIV>Is this not a public forum for discussing Moscow? If I have a
conversation with someone on the street, I am not going to say "I got screwed
by a certain apartment rental company that misled my family and cost us
hundred of dollars needlessly," I am going to say who they were so they don't
get screwed, too. If I am talking about a recently closed Italian place, I am
not going to say "that restaurant that used to be in the Moscow Hotel," I am
going to say "Basilio's." And how, exactly, is it better to say "The place
that used to be in the Moscow Hotel" when we all know exactly what is being
talked about?</DIV>
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<DIV>I am very committed to local businesses - I would say 90% of my
"shopping" is done with local or regional merchants. I don't shop at Wal-Mart,
or Hastings, or any of the junk food greasy drive-ins. I champion my favorites
stores happily - but likewise, I let people know when a local business is not
worth my money. Why should vision2020 be any different?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Someone accused me of bashing anti-Kirker businesses exclusively.
Considering I keep being accused of being a Kirker by others, that just makes
me feel like I'm getting it in the front AND the rear. For the record:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) I complained about Palouse Properties because they screwed my family,
and have screwed several of my friends. Anyone wants to know the specifics, I
will gladly provide them.</DIV>
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<DIV>2) I pointed out that I quit going to Basilio's not because I couldn't
park there, but because the food was mediocre and the service was crappy. I
never claimed it should be a gourmet place as someone seemed to think, but I
expect food I pay for to be a) better than "from the can", and b) better than
what I would cook at home. </DIV>
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<DIV>3) I patronized Gambino's for 15 years before I walked away for the last
time. Gambino's was a special place for my family, but after Pops died it went
into the toilet. It was filthy on the inside, the servers (other than one
long-time server, I forget her name but she was from Genessee) were terrible,
and there were thugs smoking cigarettes outside the front door all the time. I
can excuse a lot of faults at an eatery, but I *WILL NOT* tolerate filth.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So, according to Mr. Crabtree, my complaints about these businesses are
somehow directed by Doug Wilson, whose thigh I am stroking as I type this, by
the way. Well, Mr. Crabtree, would you like to know that I have not spent one
dollar at Bucer's, West of Paris, Live Lovely, or any other place they own?
Why? For one thing, I don't like ZEALOTS of any kind, be they religious or
anti-religious. Second of all, I don't have the disposable income to eat
french food or buy Le Crueset cookware. And I don't like the way it feels to
step into a coffee shop dominated by bearded middle-aged men and glowing,
skirted young dainties.</DIV>
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<DIV>So, what part of the unwritten rules do I not understand? Seems to me
vision2020 should be a good place to speak about our COMMUNITY here in MOSCOW.
If discussion is going to center on the War in Iraq, George Bush, Global
Warming, or Professional Sports, what is the effing point of this forum? We
can get all that other stuff on any news or discussion site on the entire
internet. If we do not discuss Moscow/Palouse specifics here, we are ALL just
wasting our precious time. Or at least I am. Lord knows I would rather be
bathing nude with Art Deco and G Crabtree. Preferably at the same time.They
are both such manly, dignified men.</DIV>
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<DIV>Penny</DIV>
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