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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms. Place,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My goodness, I hardly know where to begin. For
starters, PLEASE do not confuse or conflate me with Wayne Fox. (Art
Deco) The only thing that we have in common is that we are both willing to
express our opinions over our own names and breathing. Beyond that I doubt
that you could find two people on the Palouse who are further apart in outlook.
I do not care where you worship. (or don't) I don't care if you respect Doug
Wilson or revile him. I don't care where or what you eat. I am uninterested
in where you live, shop or ride your bike. If you had been paying any
attention at all on this forum you would know that expressing your ideological
purity in the form of anti Wal-Mart statements and denunciations of all things
Christ Church isn't going to cut any kind of ice as far as I'm concerned. Wayne
might be thrilled but he won't believe that you're not part of a larger
conspiracy and there in lies one of our many differences.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My only problem with you (aside from your
rhetorical excesses) stems from your penchant for hurling bricks from the
safety of a pseudonym. In your example of a conversation you might have with a
person you meet on the street, that person you talk to has the advantage of
being able to evaluate the source of the disparagement based on any number of
factors, not the least of which is your character. Please don't get me wrong, I
am surely not the arbiter of the rules for this playground and you can
castigate and complain all you like, as far as I'm concerned. Just don't
expect to be taken as seriously as if you were a real person and not just
an noxious vapor trail flitting across our monitors. Hiding under the
cover of "I'm just a tiny, frightened, little girl" doesn't provide much
substance or excuse.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary Crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=penn_place_boise@yahoo.com
href="mailto:penn_place_boise@yahoo.com">Pennsylvania Place</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] naming names</DIV>
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<DIV>I have a quick question about Vision2020 policy. I was taken to task
recently for several things I said. What bothered me the most about this
dressing down (other than being accused of being "Surely Pissedoff" -
actually, I am Jackie Woolf, don't you know?) was that it is seen by
some to be "against the rules" to name names about local "reputable"
businesses that I have a problem with. </DIV>
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<DIV>Is this not a public forum for discussing Moscow? If I have a
conversation with someone on the street, I am not going to say "I got screwed
by a certain apartment rental company that misled my family and cost us
hundred of dollars needlessly," I am going to say who they were so they don't
get screwed, too. If I am talking about a recently closed Italian place, I am
not going to say "that restaurant that used to be in the Moscow Hotel," I am
going to say "Basilio's." And how, exactly, is it better to say "The place
that used to be in the Moscow Hotel" when we all know exactly what is being
talked about?</DIV>
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<DIV>I am very committed to local businesses - I would say 90% of my
"shopping" is done with local or regional merchants. I don't shop at Wal-Mart,
or Hastings, or any of the junk food greasy drive-ins. I champion my favorites
stores happily - but likewise, I let people know when a local business is not
worth my money. Why should vision2020 be any different?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Someone accused me of bashing anti-Kirker businesses exclusively.
Considering I keep being accused of being a Kirker by others, that just makes
me feel like I'm getting it in the front AND the rear. For the record:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) I complained about Palouse Properties because they screwed my family,
and have screwed several of my friends. Anyone wants to know the specifics, I
will gladly provide them.</DIV>
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<DIV>2) I pointed out that I quit going to Basilio's not because I couldn't
park there, but because the food was mediocre and the service was crappy. I
never claimed it should be a gourmet place as someone seemed to think, but I
expect food I pay for to be a) better than "from the can", and b) better than
what I would cook at home. </DIV>
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<DIV>3) I patronized Gambino's for 15 years before I walked away for the last
time. Gambino's was a special place for my family, but after Pops died it went
into the toilet. It was filthy on the inside, the servers (other than one
long-time server, I forget her name but she was from Genessee) were terrible,
and there were thugs smoking cigarettes outside the front door all the time. I
can excuse a lot of faults at an eatery, but I *WILL NOT* tolerate filth.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So, according to Mr. Crabtree, my complaints about these businesses are
somehow directed by Doug Wilson, whose thigh I am stroking as I type this, by
the way. Well, Mr. Crabtree, would you like to know that I have not spent one
dollar at Bucer's, West of Paris, Live Lovely, or any other place they own?
Why? For one thing, I don't like ZEALOTS of any kind, be they religious or
anti-religious. Second of all, I don't have the disposable income to eat
french food or buy Le Crueset cookware. And I don't like the way it feels to
step into a coffee shop dominated by bearded middle-aged men and glowing,
skirted young dainties.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So, what part of the unwritten rules do I not understand? Seems to me
vision2020 should be a good place to speak about our COMMUNITY here in MOSCOW.
If discussion is going to center on the War in Iraq, George Bush, Global
Warming, or Professional Sports, what is the effing point of this forum? We
can get all that other stuff on any news or discussion site on the entire
internet. If we do not discuss Moscow/Palouse specifics here, we are ALL just
wasting our precious time. Or at least I am. Lord knows I would rather be
bathing nude with Art Deco and G Crabtree. Preferably at the same time.They
are both such manly, dignified men.</DIV>
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<DIV>Penny</DIV>
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