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Proof? I don't have any. Just a guess. He's a well-known figure in
this area, anyone who was around then knows the story. Rapists aren't
generally well-treated in jail. <br>
<br>
I could, of course, be wrong. But so what if he gets access to a
computer for a few weeks of the final phase of his 25-year sentence? I
wouldn't say they get everything handed to them. I've never been in
prison, but I understand it's not a very nice place.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
J Ford wrote:
<blockquote cite="midBAY105-F134A879DE8A39DA4A246DDAF2A0@phx.gbl"
type="cite">Ok, I'm going to meet you half way on this - what proof
have you read or heard that indicates Coe is any kind of danger in
Spokane? Even his lawyer says the move is because the "facilities are
nicer...and he can have access to the computers." Sounds to me like he
is more interested in comfort than in rehab.
<br>
<br>
I am not saying he or any of those creeps should be mistreated - I am
saying that giving in to their want's or wishes is not in the best
interest of the victim (dead or alive) or society. They already get
everything handed to them...why add to that insult by transferring them
just because?
<br>
<br>
J :]
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<blockquote type="cite">From: Paul Rumelhart
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:42:21 -0700
<br>
<br>
Why would it be an either/or type of situation? I think everyone,
within certain constraints, should be treated humanely. Even border
cases. To do anything else is barbarism. These are the same reasons I
think it's criminal that we torture detainees.
<br>
<br>
That's not saying we should serve him tea and crumpets, but moving him
out of what could likely be a dangerous situation seems to me to be the
civilized way to cope with this. Likely it's killing two birds with
one stone, putting him in a safer place while studying him to see what
kind of danger he still poses.
<br>
<br>
Paul
<br>
<br>
J Ford wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">What the hell? Are you people really blind
or what? WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS? Where are your feelings for them?
Your support? Your concern for the rest of *their* lives, what's left
of them?
<br>
<br>
I could care less what happens to this guy in prison, especially a guy
like Coe or Sitler or even Jamin who REFUSE to acknowledge and truly
come to terms with what lives they have destroyed. Truth is, a lot of
the time these guys are isolated in prison due to the threats against
them.
<br>
<br>
Would I like to see him tied and beaten? No. But a "country club"
type of institution is just not right. Guaranteed his victims are not
happy about any of this either.
<br>
<br>
<br>
J :]
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<blockquote type="cite">From: Paul Rumelhart
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:58:16 -0700
<br>
<br>
The action that seems to have enraged you this much was the judge
granting his request to avoid Spokane County lockup and spend a few
weeks at a more humane facility. He's known in Spokane as a legendary
rapist, wouldn't it be overly cruel to make him spend time in lockup
there where his own safety would be in jeopardy?
<br>
<br>
Or would you rather we just tie him up by his toes and beat him with
baseball bats until the time of his hearing?
<br>
<br>
Unless I'm remembering wrong from when I was a child, he didn't kill
anybody. His mom tried to, if I remember correctly, but he didn't.
He's spent a quarter of a century in prison as a known rapist. I'm
amazed he survived at all. All the time that a normal person would
spend building a family and a career was spent in a prison cell. He's
also a convicted felon upon release, a registered sex offender, and a
notoriously infamous celebrity to boot. Not to mention the fact that
they are considering keeping him committed past his release date.
Isn't that enough? Or do we have to make each and every request of his
fall on deaf ears just in spite? There are people who get off easy for
some things, yes, but I wouldn't count him as one of them.
<br>
<br>
Paul
<br>
<br>
J Ford wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">How dare you! Have you lived through
being raped, molested, almost killed!? Huh,have you? Didn't think
so. So don't you dare assume you know that murder is worse than living
through the type of hell child predators put their victims through.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The person murdered - their pain is over; the
"survivor" of molestation/rape, etc. - their pain continues on and on
and on. They never loose it - some learn to live with it differently
than others, some take the route of suicide. A VAST majority of child
victims are killed.
<br>
<br>
According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:
<br>
<br>
"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children
were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of
the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical
kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family
abductions."
<br>
<br>
THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt. You want to tell
them or their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've
had the worst happen to them - that they are dead."? The worst is not
knowing where they are, are they safe, are they being tortured?
<br>
<br>
There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would
and have taken death over living with what happened to them. Suicide
does not mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of
molestation. The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it
was only molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as
murder - you lived through it" is what is asinine - and callous.
<br>
<br>
Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a
multiply convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.
<br>
<br>
If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to
fight against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the
perp has been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous
extremely serious unknown ones. Duncan is NOT unique - he just got
caught.
<br>
<br>
In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be
transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane. It
matters little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there
eventually; what matters is HE made the request and the court went with
it:
<br>
<br>
"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay September 6, 2006 By Associated Press
<br>
<br>
Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's
South Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested
transfer to a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week
delay in the state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.
<br>
<br>
Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday
granted Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil
Island and agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give
his lawyers time to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state
submitted in its efforts to keep Coe in custody.
<br>
<br>
Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the
delay at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia,
rather than the Spokane County Jail.
<br>
<br>
As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements
than a crowded county jail, Trageser said."
<br>
<br>
And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by
molesters. People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim
in prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position.
(Before you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or
prison and YES they can become victims in jail or prison.)
<br>
<br>
And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider"
and they are in Clarkston is false. There are MANY in the area and
Sitler is actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and
one in Clarkston. And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are
taking him to both. Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there
from the LCSD that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take
Sitler to his "treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that
request.
<br>
<br>
It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim
they know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any
crime feels. Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you
have no idea.
<br>
<br>
J :]
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<blockquote type="cite">From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></a>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
CoetransferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
<br>
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
<br>
<br>
Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester.
You
<br>
claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
<br>
obtuse? Please! That's a ridiculous position to take. No, it's
asinine,
<br>
absolute nonsense.
<br>
<br>
Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
<br>
Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
<br>
worse.
<br>
<br>
I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders,
which
<br>
is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one
person.
<br>
If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let
Sitler
<br>
out for treatment. If they won't come here, then this is a reason to
allow
<br>
him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
<br>
<br>
It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the
facility
<br>
where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his
life,
<br>
in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
<br>
<br>
Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
<br>
<br>
Sunil
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<br>
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<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: "J Ford"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><privatejf32@hotmail.com></a>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
<br>
transferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
<br>
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
<br>
<br>
Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse. There is no way I can say,
<br>
without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go to
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
the
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">jail and offer treatment. What I
can say is that the ones I have talked
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
to
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">in a casual manner, have said they
have never been asked by the court,
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
they
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">have just been asked or ordered to
provide the "treatment" and told the
<br>
prisoner will come to them. And no, I will not provide those names as
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
you
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">know very well that confidentiality
prohibits me from doing that.
<br>
<br>
Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Spokane
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">to a specific facility. It was
COE's choice and the court went with it.
<br>
<br>
Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like
to
<br>
admit. Difference is, he got caught. Whether they kill their victims
or
<br>
kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has committed
a
<br>
deadly sin and should be punished accordingly. Penny's idea of
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
sentencing
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">them to 25-life right out of the
gate makes more sense than 15, with time
<br>
off for "good" behavior. How else are they gonna act in prison than
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
"good"
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">since there is no opportunity to
victimize anyone?
<br>
<br>
<br>
J :]
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