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The action that seems to have enraged you this much was the judge
granting his request to avoid Spokane County lockup and spend a few
weeks at a more humane facility. He's known in Spokane as a legendary
rapist, wouldn't it be overly cruel to make him spend time in lockup
there where his own safety would be in jeopardy?<br>
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Or would you rather we just tie him up by his toes and beat him with
baseball bats until the time of his hearing?<br>
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Unless I'm remembering wrong from when I was a child, he didn't kill
anybody. His mom tried to, if I remember correctly, but he didn't.
He's spent a quarter of a century in prison as a known rapist. I'm
amazed he survived at all. All the time that a normal person would
spend building a family and a career was spent in a prison cell. He's
also a convicted felon upon release, a registered sex offender, and a
notoriously infamous celebrity to boot. Not to mention the fact that
they are considering keeping him committed past his release date.
Isn't that enough? Or do we have to make each and every request of his
fall on deaf ears just in spite? There are people who get off easy for
some things, yes, but I wouldn't count him as one of them.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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J Ford wrote:
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<pre wrap="">How dare you! Have you lived through being raped, molested, almost killed!?
Huh,have you? Didn't think so. So don't you dare assume you know that
murder is worse than living through the type of hell child predators put
their victims through. YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The person murdered - their pain
is over; the "survivor" of molestation/rape, etc. - their pain continues on
and on and on. They never loose it - some learn to live with it differently
than others, some take the route of suicide. A VAST majority of child
victims are killed.
According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:
"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were
abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most
serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings";
and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions."
THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt. You want to tell them or
their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've had the worst
happen to them - that they are dead."? The worst is not knowing where they
are, are they safe, are they being tortured?
There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would and
have taken death over living with what happened to them. Suicide does not
mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of molestation.
The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it was only
molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as murder - you lived
through it" is what is asinine - and callous.
Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a multiply
convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.
If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to fight
against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the perp has
been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous extremely
serious unknown ones. Duncan is NOT unique - he just got caught.
In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be
transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane. It matters
little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there eventually;
what matters is HE made the request and the court went with it:
"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay September 6, 2006 By Associated Press
Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's South
Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested transfer to
a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week delay in the
state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.
Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday granted
Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil Island and
agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give his lawyers time
to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state submitted in its
efforts to keep Coe in custody.
Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the delay
at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia, rather than the
Spokane County Jail.
As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements than
a crowded county jail, Trageser said."
And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by
molesters. People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim in
prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position. (Before
you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or prison and YES
they can become victims in jail or prison.)
And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider" and
they are in Clarkston is false. There are MANY in the area and Sitler is
actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and one in
Clarkston. And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are taking him
to both. Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there from the LCSD
that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take Sitler to his
"treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that request.
It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim they
know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any crime feels.
Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you have no idea.
J :]
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<pre wrap="">From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
CoetransferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester. You
claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
obtuse? Please! That's a ridiculous position to take. No, it's asinine,
absolute nonsense.
Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
worse.
I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders, which
is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one person.
If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let
Sitler
out for treatment. If they won't come here, then this is a reason to allow
him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the facility
where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his life,
in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
Sunil
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<pre wrap="">From: "J Ford" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><privatejf32@hotmail.com></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
transferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse. There is no way I can say,
without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go to
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<pre wrap="">jail and offer treatment. What I can say is that the ones I have talked
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<pre wrap="">in a casual manner, have said they have never been asked by the court,
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<pre wrap="">they
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<pre wrap="">have just been asked or ordered to provide the "treatment" and told the
prisoner will come to them. And no, I will not provide those names as
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<pre wrap="">you
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<pre wrap="">know very well that confidentiality prohibits me from doing that.
Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of
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<pre wrap="">Spokane
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<pre wrap="">to a specific facility. It was COE's choice and the court went with it.
Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like to
admit. Difference is, he got caught. Whether they kill their victims or
kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has committed a
deadly sin and should be punished accordingly. Penny's idea of
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<pre wrap="">sentencing
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<pre wrap="">them to 25-life right out of the gate makes more sense than 15, with time
off for "good" behavior. How else are they gonna act in prison than
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<pre wrap="">"good"
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<pre wrap="">since there is no opportunity to victimize anyone?
J :]
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