<div>No sugar beets for the Palouse because a) They are a row crop and very difficult to harvest large-scale on these hills, and b) they need lots of irrigation to grow well.</div> <div> </div> <div>Penny P<BR><BR><B><I>J Ford <privatejf32@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">The grow them in Colorado and Texas...why not here?<BR><BR><BR><BR>J :]<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: Pennsylvania Place <PENN_PLACE_BOISE@YAHOO.COM><BR>>To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] cellulosic alcohol (butanol)<BR>>Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 05:22:41 -0700 (PDT)<BR>><BR>>What abouit the notion of using sugar beets for fuel? You can't grow them <BR>>on the Palouse, of course, but you can all over southern Idaho and central <BR>>Washington.<BR>><BR>> Penny<BR>><BR>>Jim Meyer <M1E2Y3E4@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR>> Ted and
all,<BR>>Cellulosic alcohol is great idea. Alan Greenspan thinks it is a good<BR>>idea. I hadn't really known it had come of age before hearing Mr.<BR>>Greenspan talking about it. The big idea with cellulosic alcohol is that<BR>>it can be produced from plants that require very little oil based<BR>>fertilizer input. As I recall, and I might be wrong, corn requires about<BR>>300 pounds of nitrogen/acre. Even with the best legume crop rotation you<BR>>could never produce corn without external fertilizer. Cellulose on the<BR>>hand, can grow without external nitrogen sources. Furthermore, we do<BR>>have plenty of timber slash and marginal lands that can grow sturdy, low<BR>>input cellulosic crops. So I second your suggestion even to the point of<BR>>wanting to start my own plant, if that were even remotely possible.<BR>>Secondly, I would produce cellulosic butanol, not ethanol. See<BR>>http://www.butanol.com/. Supposedly it can replace
gasoline directly<BR>>without any engine modifications. What could be better? Currently, if<BR>>you want to run an E85 vehicle, either you have to buy a vehicle so<BR>>designed or you have to do considerable retrofitting. Without the<BR>>necessity of retrofiting, butanol appears to have it all over ethanol,<BR>>not to mention generally better fuel characteristics than ethanol.<BR>><BR>>Jim Meyer<BR>><BR>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 1<BR>> > Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:00:14 -0700<BR>> > From: "Ted Moffett"<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO<BR>> > DO: " Apollo Project"<BR>> > To: "Chris Storhok" , "Vision 2020"<BR>> ><BR>> > Message-ID:<BR>> ><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> ><BR>> > Chris et. al.<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes, that
was Donovan's idea about high gas taxes, and of course many <BR>>think<BR>> > gas taxes should be raised, though some call it a "carbon tax" that <BR>>could be<BR>> > used to develop the infrastructure and technology to transition away <BR>>from<BR>> > fossil fuels. It's hard to see how addressing fossil fuel depletion and<BR>> > global warming can be economically pain free... However, raising gas <BR>>taxes a<BR>> > lot is almost politically impossible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the detailed info on the biofuels project you are working on. <BR>>I<BR>> > agree there is good evidence that biofuels can be practical and <BR>>efficient<BR>> > enough in some applications, as your discussion of the biofuels projects <BR>>in<BR>> > Alaska indicate. Wait for the final implementation, though. As they say,<BR>> > the devil is in the details. Brazil, it appears, has a self supporting<BR>> >
biofuels program based on sugar cane, much better than corn for <BR>>biofuels,<BR>> > that supplies a lot of their fuel. From the analyses I have read, <BR>>however,<BR>> > biofuels are not a dominant solution to supplying the USA, not to <BR>>mention<BR>> > India and China, with the fuel we/they need, given current and expected<BR>> > future consumption levels, at least not with internal combustion <BR>>engines.<BR>> ><BR>> > I would like to hear more about this wood based biofuels program in <BR>>Alaska.<BR>> > It must be based on what is called "cellulosic" biofuels. I posted to<BR>> > Vision2020 the suggestion that the Moscow/Pullman area could have its <BR>>own<BR>> > biofuels plant to produce fuel locally from the forest/agriculture <BR>>biomass<BR>> > resources available in our greater area. I did not get a single response <BR>>to<BR>> > this suggestion, but what the heck, it's
only Vision2020.<BR>> ><BR>> > I don't think Vision2020 readers should need a "Warning" about your<BR>> > discussion of the biofuels projects in Alaska being boring. The same <BR>>ideas<BR>> > might be applied here for affordable renewable biofuels at a local <BR>>biofuels<BR>> > plant... If that's boring, I suppose Vision2020 readers will find 10 <BR>>dollar<BR>> > a gallon fossil fuel gas to be very exciting!<BR>> ><BR>> > Ted Moffett<BR>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > URL: <BR>>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20060831/9182d490/attachment-0001.htm<BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>><BR>>=======================================================<BR>>List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>serving the communities of the Palouse since
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