My goodness, take a molehill and build it into a mountain, why don't you. Have you ever heard the expression "figure of speech"? <br> <br> I have nothing against poor people (I *am* poor, for that matter), or people who are rural (I grew up on a farm!) or live in trailers. I was using a popular expression to describe a certain type of person. I'm talking about meth-heads and sex offenders here, not single moms and hard-luck hard-working people. <br> <br> But I won't take back what I've said. I'd rather be looked down on by Kirkers than panhandled by psycho drunks. But I suppose now you'll rise in defense of psycho drunks who panhandle.<br> <br> Penny<br><br><b><i>keely emerinemix </i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Huh.<br><br>You post that you prefer the "class" of bigots to "Latah County trailer <br>trash" and yet are surprised at the response? And my observation that with
<br>an attitude like that, you likely aren't invited out too much qualifies as <br>"venom"?<br><br>Gee, I'd like to live in your world.<br><br>No, pal, "white trash" isn't OK, either. I may be just a bundle o' <br>sentiment and goo here, but people aren't trash. Ever. And whatever <br>circumstances guide their housing options -- maybe they have acreage, maybe <br>they're poor, maybe they like the cabinetry options in the triple-wide more <br>than those in the stick-built -- should not be subject to your withering, <br>but cowardly anonymous, judgment. Sorry you had a rough experience renting <br>in Moscow, but your attitude suggests you'll have a much more difficult time <br>living in Moscow. Or anywhere else, for that matter.<br><br>keely<br><br><br>From: Pennsylvania Place <penn_place_boise @yahoo.com=""><br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<br>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:52:58 -0700 (PDT)<br><br>Wow, I should have remained a
lurker. I've seen some of the venom on 20/20, <br>and didn't think my comments would provoke such nastiness.<br><br> Ok, I did not mean to denigrate anyone living in a trailer. I should have <br>said "white trash." Are there no terms of insult left?<br><br> The point I was trying to make... poorly... is that many people come to <br>Moscow from different parts of the state and the country, and although I <br>love local earth-friendly businesses like the Co-Op and Paradise Creek <br>Bicycles and One World Cafe, I feel that the arrival of snobby Kirker <br>merchants has helped raise the bar for Moscow.<br><br> I am not saying I approve of Pastor Wilson or his philosophy - but I do <br>think that a) Bucer's helped wake some Muscovites up to the fact that <br>businesses like Cafe Spudnik and the coffee place that was where Papa John's <br>now is filled a vital role, and that residents NEED cool cafes and hangouts <br>downtown; and b) I'd rather have NSA located downtown
than the empty GTE <br>building.<br><br> Do I like the NSA/Kirker thing? No. But at least they have class, and <br>they seem to have provoked the community in a positive direction. I grew up <br>in Southern Idaho, and the Kirkers are far less offensive to me than the <br>Mormons that controlled my hometown - at least the Kirkers drink alcohol and <br>enjoy wild sex (at least if some of their blogs are to be believed).<br><br> Penny<br><br>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 @msn.com=""> wrote:<br> OK, Penn, you deserve a double shot of my ire.<br><br>"Trailer trash"? Is that the way you see your community -- your neighbors<br>are either "bigots" with nice stores, or "Latah County trailer trash"?<br>Really? Is there something about living in a modular or mobile home that<br>makes people unworthy of your esteem? And are you so needy of fab downtown<br>shopping experiences that you would excuse what you call bigotry? Are<br>people so easily categorized? Dismissed?
Embraced?<br><br>Might I be correct in guessing that you don't get invited out much?<br><br>Somehow, in the course of two posts, you've managed to show yourself not to<br>be one of Moscow's finest citizens, and I can say that no matter where you<br>live.<br><br>keely<br><br><br><br><br>From: Pennsylvania Place<br><br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<br>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:50:25 -0700 (PDT)<br><br>You know, I understand why people have problems with Kirkers and NSA<br>folks... I myself have dealt with a young elitist married couple that could<br>not have been more insincere and fake to me and my family dispite our<br>efforts to be neighborly.<br><br>That said - I really *do* admire how the Kirker/NSA element is helping to<br>class up Moscow. I do not patronize their businesses, but it is nice to have<br>clean, sharp stores and restaurants on Main Street. Not everyone in this<br>town - even young adults - want to shop at the stupid
mall or college<br>student holes like the Pita Pit or Papa Johns.<br><br>I'll take elitist snobs over Latah County trailer trash any day of the<br>week, even if they are bigots. At least their stores are nice. They have<br>good<br><br>Penny<br><br>David wrote: Ooooohhhhh, creepy again. BTW JFord, did you get a good,<br>comprehensive list<br>of everyone who's been to West of Paris?<br><br><br> >From: "J Ford"<br><br> >To: vision2020@moscow.com<br> >Subject: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<br> >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:29:31 -0700<br> ><br> >A. You, Doug F, do NOT have a license to do construction work, electrical<br> >work, engineering work...basically you have a license to drive and I<br> >seriously question the wisdom of providing you that.<br> ><br> >B. You are listed as having a "legit" business which the Moscow Chamber of<br> >Commerce says they "highly recommend" and are "proud to (have) as a member<br> >of the Moscow Chamber of
Commerce" because you provide "quality services<br> >and products." The State of Idaho thought that was interesting since you<br> >licenses expired in 2005 and they have NO new application for you on file<br>-<br> >ever.<br> ><br> >C. Your contracting license (20186) expired on 7-31-2005 and your<br> >Journeyman's license (19675) expired on 31 Aug 2005. So you saying you<br> >have done "demolition work for Mike Hoffman" and you doing any kind of<br> >electrical work and having your picture on web sites SHOWING you doing any<br> >kind of electrical work is just wrong. As is having your name listed in<br> >the Chamber of Commerce's MOST recent listing of businesses and your name<br> >being WILLINGLY listed on a permit for electrical work on Mike Hoffman's<br> >yet to be purchased building on Main street is just wrong.<br> ><br> >See: http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/213_Main_Elec_App.htm and<br>
>http://www.moscowchamber.com/Pages/ChamberMembers.asp?Letter=H<br> ><br> >So maybe your "getting a life" is the wrong thing to say....mayhap people<br> >should be saying "get a lawyer". For someone that espouses to be Christian<br> >and a follower of Christ's to be doing such obviously illegal things<br>should<br> >be seeking the advice of a pastor. Too bad your church doesnae have one<br> >you could turn to in such times.<br> ><br> >Oh, and if you think Paul Kimmell taking your name down off the MCC web<br> >site is going to help your case - it won't. Just like having your picture<br> >taken off the other web site didnae help you...copies are easily made.<br> >Just like your e-mails where you "confess" to be doing this type of work.<br> ><br> ><br> >J :]<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >>From: "Tom Hansen"<br> >>To: , , ,<br> >><br> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology<br>
>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:03:25 -0700<br> >><br> >>Good, NC -<br> >><br> >>Glad to hear you have a life. Be gentle with it, though. Or else,<br> >>"Comb-Over" will want it back.<br> >><br> >>Tommy Hansen<br> >>Moscow, Idaho<br> >><br> >>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving<br> >>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in<br> >>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly<br> >>used<br> >>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"<br> >><br> >>-----Original Message-----<br> >>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br> >>On Behalf Of heirdoug@netscape.net<br> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:14 AM<br> >>To: idahotom@hotmail.com; heirdoug@netscape.net; kjajmix1@msn.com;<br>
>>vision2020@moscow.com<br> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology<br> >><br> >>Tommy,<br> >><br> >>I got one! I also have a life!<br> >><br> >>Doug!<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >>-----Original Message-----<br> >>From: idahotom@hotmail.com<br> >>To: heirdoug@netscape.net; kjajmix1@msn.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br> >>Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 5:46 AM<br> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology<br> >><br> >>Lemon-O "No Clue" Farris -<br> >><br> >>You really ought to get a day job.<br> >><br> >>Now, off with you to the sand box. Your buddies , Arnold and dick<br> >>Sherwin, await you. You boys can play "Show and Tell" or you could<br> >>discuss knocking "heads" off while you extend something. You know. We<br> >>really should put that "Adults Only" sign back up.<br> >><br> >>Question, though, NC - Exactly what do you do at
Heirloom Electric?<br> >>Nothing that requires a license I hope?<br> >><br> >>Tom Hansen Moscow, Idaho<br> >><br> >> >From: heirdoug@netscape.net >To: kjajmix1@msn.com,<br>vision2020@moscow.com<br> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:31:16<br> >>-0400 > >Keely, > >I do have one question with regard to the apology you<br> >>are giving to<br> >>all >of the fine folks here. > >Am I supposed to extend forgiveness to<br>you<br> >>for biting my head off or >for you getting caught biting my head off or<br> >>for you biting my head<br> >>off >without cause knowing that there may be a cause later on? Let me<br>know<br> >> >and I will gladly extend it. > >Doug!<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >>________________________________________________________________________<br> >>Check Out the new free AIM(R)
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