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<div>I appreciate your enthusiasm for biofuels, and perhaps you are aware that Iogen is hoping to soon open a large cellulosic biofuel plant in Southern Idaho using primarily straw from Idaho farms. And they want US government loan guarantees for their investors in case the project fails. Iogen knows this business, and as the article on biofuels I reference below from "Nature" mentions, Iogen runs the largest bio refinery plant in the world near Ottawa, Canada.
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<div>But quickly, to address the taxation approach to lowering gasoline consumption, if there is no cheaper practical alternative to power transportation after raising gasoline taxes dramatically (resulting in 7-10 dollar a gallon gas), our economy would be in serious jeopardy with such an approach, and politically such a move might be suicide, unless alternatives could be quickly implemented. Realistic alternative energy technologies with a widespread infrastructure for implementation are required to replace fossil fuels, unless we want to sacrifice aspects of our lifestyle and economy that many will fight tooth and nail to maintain.
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<div>The most realistic estimates of biofuels potential indicate they should not be counted on to solve (though they can be part of the solution) the fossil fuel depletion/global warming crisis, for a number of reasons. Read this analysis from Nature magazine offered at the link below, where the optimistic prediction is offered that biofuels can replace 25% of our current petroleum needs in the USA, which is a huge contribution. But US consumption of fossil fuel and fossil fuel sourced energy (coal fired plants are expected to continue to increase consumption of coal for the cheap electricity this provides, with current US electricity production 50% from coal, and US coal reserves the largest of any nation on Earth) continues to increase, so biofuels are playing a game of catch-up with CO2 emissions, nor are they expected to replace the cheap electrical energy from coal. And to expect biofuels to power the huge emerging industrial economies in India and China with over 2 billion in population is very problematic, economies that are expected in this century to consume more fossil fuel than the USA, who is currently the world's largest consumer. Read also in the "Nature" article about the continuing debate among experts regarding the efficiency of biofuel production, along with other land use/food supply/environmental problems. The overall thrust of this analysis is more optimistic than others I have read. It seems that some nations are situated rather well to use biofuel for much of their fuel needs, other nations not:
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<div>What the Bush administration has not done, that is advocated by many energy experts studying the fossil fuel depletion/global warming crisis, is push for an "Apollo Project" styled effort to the tune of 100s of billions of dollars (this can come from the private sector in part, as it already is) to quickly develop alternative non-CO2 emitting energy sources, and make practical application widespread. It is clear that the marketplace is making so much profit maintaining the current mostly fossil fuel based economic system that there is limited profit incentive to make a radical shift away from fossil fuels. Opening ANWR and increased off shore oil drilling continues to be pushed in the US Congress by energy corporations to help solve USA dependence on foreign oil. If biofuels were such a practical and economical solution, why the continuing push to open ANWR and for more offshore drilling? Given the limited production and availability of biofuels and biofuel ready vehicles in the USA, does the oil industry need to worry very much about biofuels challenging their dominant position in the USA, necessitating an attempt to put biofuels out of business by dropping gas prices below 2 dollars a gallon, as you suggested they could do?
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<div>Who can say the Bush administration is really addressing the fossil fuel depletion/global warming crisis, nor previously the Clinton Administration, for that matter, while CAFE standards have not been raised dramatically, though efforts are underway:
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<div>This "Apollo Project" for new energy technology and widespread roll out can involve every potential replacement for fossil fuels (or CO2 sequestration technology, which if made practical for coal fired plants, would allow continuing energy from coal limiting the global warming impact), from hydrogen to biofuels, wind and solar, nuclear fission and fusion, fuel cells, and new battery and/or chemical energy storage technologies. It goes without saying this effort should be combined with aggressive energy conservation measures, one of the most important being to dramatically raise the CAFE standards in the US:
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Chris Storhok</b> <<a href="mailto:cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us">cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us</a>> wrote:</span>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to defend the Bush administration on this one but they certainly have not terminated the bio-diesel program. The DOE released a call for proposals for creation of two bio-energy research centers on August 1, each center will be funded up to $125 million over 5 years (needless to say the Fairbanks North Star Borough and University of Alaska Fairbanks are preparing an application). The DOE/USDA is also supporting a "Biomass Research and Development Initiative" at $14 million, the "Commercial Demonstration of an Integrated Biorefinery System for Production of Liquid Transportation Biofuels, Biobased chemical, Substitutes for Petroleum-based Feedstocks and Products, and Biomass-based Heat/Power at $80 million. I will concede that they have cut research funding; however that funding has been transferred to development/implementation projects.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the big oil company front, Shell is leading the charge to develop biofuels. Their European divisions are actively constructing several biofuels facilities throughout Germany, the Baltic States, Russia, and Poland. BP is ramping up their biofuel efforts in Canada and Great Britain (provided they don't go broke because of their "minor" problems on the North Slope). If big oil truly wanted to kill bio-fuels they would drop the price of gas and diesel below $2/gallon, the current price level that bio-fuels programs need just to break even.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have three bio-fuels projects that are underway; the first is install a modest 15 ton/day operation to convert wood waste and paper that is presently dumped in the landfill into a bio-diesel product that our local utility will use in its power plants. Second is a program designed to wean Alaska bush villages from expensive diesel ($6/gallon when delivered) using bio-diesel from their local biomass with the components manufactured assembled and tested here in Fairbanks; and third is a larger long term program to create bio-fuel from a mix of locally grown canola, willows, black spruce and so forth to the tune of around 30 million gallons of B20. We are working with growers in Delta Junction, UAF, and the USDA to complete field testing of canola this year. A small press will give us enough fuel to test its characteristics in cold climates
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On a larger front local visionaries have proposed a 50 year program to completely replace (on a sustainable basis) North Slope crude in the TAPS system with bio-fuel created through harvesting of large tree farms planted with local varieties of really fast growing trees. I planted one of these seedlings; a variety of Pacific Willow, this spring, the tree is now just over 12 feet. (My wife hates the thing now because of its scrawny size, she was expecting a smaller dense willow). The thing has little bulk to it but I have been told that as long as the moose do not eat it, its girth will increase dramatically in the next few years.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am of the firm belief that bio-fuel projects should be local economic development efforts. Just imagine if LEDC, the Port of Whitman, UI, WSU, and others were to team up on such a project. The intellectual capacity of the Palouse is remarkable, combine that with abundant agricultural lands, large forests and local will power, I am very willing to bet that the Palouse region can produce far more than enough bio-fuels to completely remove big oil from your local picture. Imagine shutting off the leakage of local dollars to big oil and keeping that money in your community; imagine the job creation potential; farm income potential; and so forth that such a program would award the region. Your government leaders will be silly not to embrace such a project.
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2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision">vision</a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
On Behalf Of </span></b>Tom Hansen<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:55 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> 'Art Deco'; 'Vision 2020'</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One good idea would be to re-invest in bio-diesel research. The program was promoted and supported under the Clinton administration and terminated under the Bush administration.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Simply coming up with an alternate fuel source will not work. It needs government support. </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Remember the "Get the Lead Out!" campaign that was mandated by government policy? It worked. If the government mandates that all vehicles will be fueled with bio-diesel by the year 2012, you can bet your last gallon of regular gas that Exxon, Standard Oil, etc. etc. will do their best to get into the bio-diesel market.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has anybody got any ideas on how to develop some SERIOUS interest in alternate fuels, the kind of ideas that will "spark a fire" of major interest within the George "All for Oil" Bush administration?
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2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision">vision</a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
On Behalf Of </span></b>Art Deco<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:41 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Vision 2020<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">1. There is a limited amount of terrestrial/atmospheric resources. There are and will be too many people competing for these resources. Further, overuse of some of these resources creates life/quality of life threatening environmental problems for all plants and animals including humankind. Think about this: What would happen if at least half of the world's human population lived at the same standard of resource usage as the US and western Europe?
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">2. Petroleum resources are not only quite limited, but their uses are a leading cause of many life/quality of life threatening problems. Hence, a very high tax on such products may help motivate a search for much better, kinder to the earth, plants and animals (including humankind) alternatives, and also decrease their usage and the associated problems.
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Nils Peterson</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a title="areaman@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com" target="_blank">
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and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that have<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><br><br><b><i><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Nils Peterson <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:nils_peterson@wsu.edu" target="_blank">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks Dan for sharing information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand<br>that they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. Perhaps we
<br>need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.<br><br>And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small -- because<br>without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to take
<br>the scale of actions Donovan suggests.<br><br><br>On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:<br>Donovan says:<br>"You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth<br>even a day to do these tiny things."
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<br>that I've seen charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows<br>nothing but increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit. While I'm<br>not a guy who would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including
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