Tom,<br> <br> Well isn't being able to choose to eat or not eat an animal being PRO_CHOICE? <br> <br> Animal Rights: Are you for the chicken having the right to lay or not lay an egg?<br> <br> The problem with pro-choice groups is that they only help a woman have an abortion. They don't help them find the economic means to raise a child for 18+ years. So they aren't really pro-choice, they are pro-abortion. Shouldn't planned parenthood be really unplanned parenthood. I mean, they are planning not to be a parent, not planning to be one. <br> <br> If Tom is for steaks and abortion, that means he is all for torture of fetuses and animals. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> It is not a matter of being "pro-abortion". It is a matter of PRO-CHOICE.<br>I, personally, would NEVER support a
group whose singular goal is to force<br>abortion on a woman when it comes to addressing unwanted pregnancies.<br><br>I strongly believe in providing counseling, education, and support to women<br>with potentially unwanted pregnancies.<br><br>As far as the "animal rights" (and "No Clue's" analogy to Pro-Life) versus<br>abortion issue: I will give up my medium rare steaks once all pro-lifers<br>give up eggs (sunny-side up or over easy).<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho <br><br>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving<br>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in<br>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used<br>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>On Behalf Of Joe Campbell<br>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:28 AM<br>To: Donovan
Arnold<br>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Is there a correlation between "Fore Gras"<br>Killing Babies!<br><br>Donovan,<br><br>You wrote: "it is illogical to be opposed to the torture of animals and be<br>for abortion." This is incorrect. <br><br>Some animal rights activists think that animals are persons -- have rights<br>-- yet also believe that no fetus is a person. You might disagree with this<br>view (I do) but it is not "illogical." <br><br>Also, it is not illogical to suppose that the prolonged torture of any<br>animal is wrong but that it is sometimes permissible to kill a fetus, for<br>instance when the mother's life is in danger. One might hold this view and<br>be "for abortion" in the sense that one is against making abortion illegal.<br>This is close to my own view and it is not "illogical."<br><br>One last comment which didn't occur to me when I wrote my previous post. It<br>is silly to talk about being "for abortion" or "against
abortion." Abortion<br>is just the killing of a fetus. No one would ever say that they were "for<br>killing" and few people are willing to live with the consequences of being<br>"against killing."<br><br>Best, Joe<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""> wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Doug makes a good point.<br> <br> If you are opposed to the killing and/or torture of any animal, which is<br>the bases for fighting against eating some types of animals. Why not be<br>against abortion? Even if it is not a "human being" to some people's<br>definitions, it certainly can feel pain and suffer as it is being aborted.<br>I don't expect an answer from that because it is illogical to be opposed to<br>the torture of animals and be for abortion.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br>Andreas Schou <ophite @gmail.com=""> wrote: On 8/26/06, heirdoug@netscape.net<br>wrote:<br>><br>> Joe,<br>><br>> I'm still wondering if you have had any more
thoughts about my<br>> comparison and my challenge to you, Saundra and Megan and any others<br>> who still think that human life begins after birth.<br><br>Doug --<br><br>If there is a moral equivalency between a fetus and an infant, why are<br>the Biblical punishments for causing the death of an fetus and causing<br>the death of a child so radically different?<br><br>-- ACS<br><br>> Time to put your money where your mouth is. It's only $50.00 a month<br>> and I know that they could use it.<br>><br>> Doug!<br>><br>> ________________________________________________________________________<br>> Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and<br>> industry-leading spam and email virus protection.<br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>>
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