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<br><br>-Austin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Art Deco</b> <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font size="4">Austin,</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">An English Composition lesson:</font></div></div><div><span class="q">
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">You write: </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="3">"I'm not trying to attack
her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar."</font><br></font></font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div></span></div><div>
<div><font size="4">The second clause in above sentence (the clause which follows
the comma) is a contradiction of the first clause of the sentence.
Decrying someone as a liar is an attack by you whether the allegation used in
the attack is true or not.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Is it possible that part of your English language training has
been injected, not surprisingly, by Master Chris Schlect at
NSA?</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">W.</font></div></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10d46b74ae5d3df2_3">
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<div><b>To:</b> <a title="sslund@adelphia.net" href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Saundra Lund</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in
trouble?</div></div>
<div><br></div>Dear Ms. Lund,<br><br>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to
attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar.<br><br>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are
accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of
this third person? <br><br>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing
personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and
said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the
error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. <br><br>-Austin<br><br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Saundra
Lund</b> <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> sslund@adelphia.net </a>>
wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">[My
apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<br>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<br><br>Visionaries:<br><br>Is
it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
newest<br>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children
(they<br>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? <br><br>To
me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<br>.
. . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<br>to
support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<br>same.<br><br>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's
something<br>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this
new trend<br>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just
about a bridge <br>too far, IMHO.<br><br>This behavior seems particularly
loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<br>right here on V2020 during our
recent discussions following the revelations<br>of the crimes of two child
molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was <br>wrong, we were told,
to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<br>cause harm to the
many unnamed victims and their families.<br><br>This seems to me yet another
example of the double-standard the Kirk had <br>become infamous
for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
and<br>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
community.<br><br>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic
(and any <br>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate
counsel<br>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
is: isn't<br>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic
of naming/identifying <br>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to
intimidate by these two<br>reprobates?<br><br><br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow,
ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do<br>nothing.<br>- Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained
herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>without the express written
permission of the author.***** <br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57
AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">austinstorm@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Rememeber Austin,<br><br>You would be correct in
saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. <br><br>J. Ford would not make
her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<br>Episcopal
Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<br><br>J. Ford, who
was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing <br>match, would
never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<br>local
gym.<br><br>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery
cowboy hat!<br><br>Doug!<br><br>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work
that Mike Hoffman wrote to me <br>didn't
bounce.<br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com
</a><br>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by
attacking the<br>questioner.<br>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae,
really.<br><br>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae
earned it<br>and<br>therefore you donnae get it from me.<br><br>See, the
question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys,
it<br>was<br>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he
chooses to let you <br>boys<br>take the lead and try to distract people and
unfortunately since you<br>have,<br>you failed.<br><br>Again, Dougie - since
the projects you fought - well through Mike<br>Hoffman,<br>you fought since
neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the <br>meetings - the City
to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<br>great<br>deal of City
time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your
next<br>move?<br><br>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's
done all that <br>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for
nothing, Matt.<br><br>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista,
Verizon, the contractor<br>who's<br>machines and supplies just sat for weeks
without payment would like to. <br><br>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the
Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<br>lot<br>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with
a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<br>Dougie-boy<br>- can you say
"Sucker!"?<br><br><br>J :] <br><br>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood
need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<br><br><br><br><br>>From: "Austin Storm"
<<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: "J Ford" < <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>CC:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<br>><br>>J,<br>><br>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask
honest questions. You<br>>alternate<br>>between questions that are
actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<br>Forgive<br>>me for being so
blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<br>borderline<br>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads
to conspiracy<br>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.).
I'm also sure<br>he<br>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you
are Jackie Woolf who <br>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and
you've denied on<br>multiple<br>>occassions that you are this person or
that you have a son named<br>[name deleted SL].
=P<br>><br>>Regards,<br>><br>>Austin <br>><br>>On 8/24/06, J
Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've
taken on his duty to <br>>>reply <br>>>to questions directed to
him?<br>>><br>>>Wow - such dedication, such
loyalty,<br>>><br>>>such
self-depreciation....<br>>><br>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the
community know what yer plans are now <br>>>that<br>>>the bottom
seems to have fallen out of another one of yer
schemes?<br>>><br>>>No? Oh
well.....<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>J :]<br>>><br>>><br>>>
<br>>><br>>><br>>> >From: "David Williams" <<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com
</a>><br>>> >To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <br>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006
10:58:38 -0400<br>>> > <br>>> >Why do you even
ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet
vantage<br>>>point<br>>> >in the bushes.<br>>>
><br>>> ><br>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> >>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >>Subject:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <br>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug
2006 18:20:27 -0700 <br>>> >><br>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy,
you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<br>>> >><br>>>
>>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold
indefinitely<br>and<br>>>YOUR <br>>> >>project is on hold on
N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<br>>> >><br>>>
>><br>>> >>J :]<br>>> >><br>>>
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<div><font size="4">Austin:</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">An English Composition lesson:</font></div></div><div><span class="q">
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">You write: </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="3">"I'm not trying to attack
her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar."</font><br></font></font></div></span></div><div>
<div><font size="4">The part of the above sentence which follows the comma, is a
contradiction of the first clause of the sentence. Decrying someone as
aliar is an attack whehter or not the allegation is true.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Is it possible that part of your English language training
comes from Master Chris Schlect at NSA?</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">W.</font></div></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10d46b74ae5d3df2_9">
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message -----
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Austin Storm</a>
</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="sslund@adelphia.net" href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Saundra Lund</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in
trouble?</div></div>
<div><br></div>Dear Ms. Lund,<br><br>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to
attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar.<br><br>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are
accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of
this third person? <br><br>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing
personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and
said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the
error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. <br><br>-Austin<br><br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Saundra
Lund</b> <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> sslund@adelphia.net </a>>
wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">[My
apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<br>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<br><br>Visionaries:<br><br>Is
it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
newest<br>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children
(they<br>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? <br><br>To
me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<br>.
. . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<br>to
support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<br>same.<br><br>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's
something<br>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this
new trend<br>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just
about a bridge <br>too far, IMHO.<br><br>This behavior seems particularly
loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<br>right here on V2020 during our
recent discussions following the revelations<br>of the crimes of two child
molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was <br>wrong, we were told,
to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<br>cause harm to the
many unnamed victims and their families.<br><br>This seems to me yet another
example of the double-standard the Kirk had <br>become infamous
for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
and<br>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
community.<br><br>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic
(and any <br>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate
counsel<br>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
is: isn't<br>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic
of naming/identifying <br>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to
intimidate by these two<br>reprobates?<br><br><br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow,
ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do<br>nothing.<br>- Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained
herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>without the express written
permission of the author.***** <br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57
AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">austinstorm@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Rememeber Austin,<br><br>You would be correct in
saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. <br><br>J. Ford would not make
her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<br>Episcopal
Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<br><br>J. Ford, who
was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing <br>match, would
never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<br>local
gym.<br><br>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery
cowboy hat!<br><br>Doug!<br><br>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work
that Mike Hoffman wrote to me <br>didn't
bounce.<br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com
</a><br>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by
attacking the<br>questioner.<br>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae,
really.<br><br>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae
earned it<br>and<br>therefore you donnae get it from me.<br><br>See, the
question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys,
it<br>was<br>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he
chooses to let you <br>boys<br>take the lead and try to distract people and
unfortunately since you<br>have,<br>you failed.<br><br>Again, Dougie - since
the projects you fought - well through Mike<br>Hoffman,<br>you fought since
neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the <br>meetings - the City
to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<br>great<br>deal of City
time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your
next<br>move?<br><br>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's
done all that <br>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for
nothing, Matt.<br><br>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista,
Verizon, the contractor<br>who's<br>machines and supplies just sat for weeks
without payment would like to. <br><br>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the
Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<br>lot<br>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with
a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<br>Dougie-boy<br>- can you say
"Sucker!"?<br><br><br>J :] <br><br>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood
need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<br><br><br><br><br>>From: "Austin Storm"
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austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: "J Ford" < <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>CC:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<br>><br>>J,<br>><br>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask
honest questions. You<br>>alternate<br>>between questions that are
actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<br>Forgive<br>>me for being so
blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<br>borderline<br>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads
to conspiracy<br>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.).
I'm also sure<br>he<br>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you
are Jackie Woolf who <br>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and
you've denied on<br>multiple<br>>occassions that you are this person or
that you have a son named<br>[name deleted SL].
=P<br>><br>>Regards,<br>><br>>Austin <br>><br>>On 8/24/06, J
Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've
taken on his duty to <br>>>reply <br>>>to questions directed to
him?<br>>><br>>>Wow - such dedication, such
loyalty,<br>>><br>>>such
self-depreciation....<br>>><br>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the
community know what yer plans are now <br>>>that<br>>>the bottom
seems to have fallen out of another one of yer
schemes?<br>>><br>>>No? Oh
well.....<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>J :]<br>>><br>>><br>>>
<br>>><br>>><br>>> >From: "David Williams" <<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com
</a>><br>>> >To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <br>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006
10:58:38 -0400<br>>> > <br>>> >Why do you even
ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet
vantage<br>>>point<br>>> >in the bushes.<br>>>
><br>>> ><br>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> >>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >>Subject:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <br>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug
2006 18:20:27 -0700 <br>>> >><br>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy,
you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<br>>> >><br>>>
>>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold
indefinitely<br>and<br>>>YOUR <br>>> >>project is on hold on
N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<br>>> >><br>>>
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<div><font size="4">Austin:</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">An English Composition lesson:</font></div></div><div><span class="q">
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">You write: </font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="3">"I'm not trying to attack
her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar."</font><br></font></font></div></span></div><div>
<div><font size="4">The part of the above sentence which follows the comma, is a
contradiction of the first clause of the sentence. Decrying someone as
aliar is an attack whehter or not the allegation is true.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">Is it possible that part of your English language training
comes from Master Chris Schlect at NSA?</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">W.</font></div></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10d46b74ae5d3df2_15">
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message -----
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="austinstorm@gmail.com" href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
Austin Storm</a>
</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="sslund@adelphia.net" href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Saundra Lund</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in
trouble?</div></div>
<div><br></div>Dear Ms. Lund,<br><br>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to
attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar.<br><br>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are
accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of
this third person? <br><br>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing
personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and
said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the
error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. <br><br>-Austin<br><br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Saundra
Lund</b> <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> sslund@adelphia.net </a>>
wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">[My
apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<br>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<br><br>Visionaries:<br><br>Is
it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
newest<br>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children
(they<br>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? <br><br>To
me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<br>.
. . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<br>to
support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<br>same.<br><br>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's
something<br>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this
new trend<br>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just
about a bridge <br>too far, IMHO.<br><br>This behavior seems particularly
loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<br>right here on V2020 during our
recent discussions following the revelations<br>of the crimes of two child
molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was <br>wrong, we were told,
to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<br>cause harm to the
many unnamed victims and their families.<br><br>This seems to me yet another
example of the double-standard the Kirk had <br>become infamous
for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
and<br>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
community.<br><br>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic
(and any <br>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate
counsel<br>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
is: isn't<br>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic
of naming/identifying <br>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to
intimidate by these two<br>reprobates?<br><br><br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow,
ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do<br>nothing.<br>- Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained
herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>without the express written
permission of the author.***** <br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57
AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">austinstorm@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Rememeber Austin,<br><br>You would be correct in
saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. <br><br>J. Ford would not make
her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<br>Episcopal
Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<br><br>J. Ford, who
was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing <br>match, would
never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<br>local
gym.<br><br>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery
cowboy hat!<br><br>Doug!<br><br>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work
that Mike Hoffman wrote to me <br>didn't
bounce.<br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com
</a><br>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by
attacking the<br>questioner.<br>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae,
really.<br><br>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae
earned it<br>and<br>therefore you donnae get it from me.<br><br>See, the
question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys,
it<br>was<br>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he
chooses to let you <br>boys<br>take the lead and try to distract people and
unfortunately since you<br>have,<br>you failed.<br><br>Again, Dougie - since
the projects you fought - well through Mike<br>Hoffman,<br>you fought since
neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the <br>meetings - the City
to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<br>great<br>deal of City
time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your
next<br>move?<br><br>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's
done all that <br>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for
nothing, Matt.<br><br>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista,
Verizon, the contractor<br>who's<br>machines and supplies just sat for weeks
without payment would like to. <br><br>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the
Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<br>lot<br>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with
a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<br>Dougie-boy<br>- can you say
"Sucker!"?<br><br><br>J :] <br><br>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood
need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<br><br><br><br><br>>From: "Austin Storm"
<<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: "J Ford" < <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>CC:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<br>><br>>J,<br>><br>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask
honest questions. You<br>>alternate<br>>between questions that are
actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<br>Forgive<br>>me for being so
blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<br>borderline<br>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads
to conspiracy<br>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.).
I'm also sure<br>he<br>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you
are Jackie Woolf who <br>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and
you've denied on<br>multiple<br>>occassions that you are this person or
that you have a son named<br>[name deleted SL].
=P<br>><br>>Regards,<br>><br>>Austin <br>><br>>On 8/24/06, J
Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've
taken on his duty to <br>>>reply <br>>>to questions directed to
him?<br>>><br>>>Wow - such dedication, such
loyalty,<br>>><br>>>such
self-depreciation....<br>>><br>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the
community know what yer plans are now <br>>>that<br>>>the bottom
seems to have fallen out of another one of yer
schemes?<br>>><br>>>No? Oh
well.....<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>J :]<br>>><br>>><br>>>
<br>>><br>>><br>>> >From: "David Williams" <<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com
</a>><br>>> >To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <br>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006
10:58:38 -0400<br>>> > <br>>> >Why do you even
ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet
vantage<br>>>point<br>>> >in the bushes.<br>>>
><br>>> ><br>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> >>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >>Subject:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <br>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug
2006 18:20:27 -0700 <br>>> >><br>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy,
you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<br>>> >><br>>>
>>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold
indefinitely<br>and<br>>>YOUR <br>>> >>project is on hold on
N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<br>>> >><br>>>
>><br>>> >>J :]<br>>> >><br>>>
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