"Or as long as it isnae yer family that is being defamed or their lives being spread (no matter how erroneously) all over the place."<br><br>This is funny coming from you.<br><br>D<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">J Ford</b> <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Ah, I get it...kids are open game as long as they are not YOUR bairn that is<br>being mentioned or talked about. Or as long as it isnae yer family that is<br>being defamed or their lives being spread (no matter how erroneously) all
<br>over the place. YOU get to choose whose bairn are subjected to insults and<br>harassment because some fool mentions their parent(s) or lives on the web.<br><br>Isnae that what Sitler and Jamin did - pick the bairn that were assaulted
<br>and the CC/"pastor" backed them up?<br><br>I get it, now.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><br><br><br>>From: "Austin Storm" <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: "Joe Campbell" <
<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>><br>>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">sslund@adelphia.net
</a>>, "J Ford"<br>><<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:17:46 -0700
<br>><br>>Mr. Campbell,<br>><br>>If J says on this list that she's not Jackie Woolf, I'll apologize.<br>><br>>-Austin<br>><br>>On 8/25/06, Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net
</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>Mr. Storm,<br>>><br>>>You're way over the line. You should never mention the names of children<br>>>in an open forum. To try to justify this by making accusations of which
<br>>>you<br>>>have absolutely no proof is wrong and absurd. Even if everything you say<br>>>about J Ford is true, that hardly justifies your actions.<br>>><br>>>--<br>>>Joe Campbell<br>
>><br>>>---- Austin Storm <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>=============<br>>>Dear Ms. Lund,<br>>><br>>>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse
<br>>>her<br>>>constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.<br>>><br>>>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her<br>>>of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this
<br>>>third<br>>>person?<br>>><br>>>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about<br>>>her<br>>>on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her
<br>>>than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F,<br>>>I'm sure.<br>>><br>>>-Austin<br>>><br>>><br>>>On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">
sslund@adelphia.net</a> > wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to<br>>>have<br>>> ><br>>> > disappeared into cyberspace. SL]
<br>>> ><br>>> > Visionaries:<br>>> ><br>>> > Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's<br>>>newest<br>>> > strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
<br>>> > aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?<br>>> ><br>>> > To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright<br>>> > creepy<br>>> > . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence
<br>>>here<br>>> > to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and<br>>>the<br>>> > same.<br>>> ><br>>> > I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
<br>>> > we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new<br>>>trend<br>>> > of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a<br>>> > bridge<br>>> > too far, IMHO.
<br>>> ><br>>> > This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated<br>>> > whining<br>>> > right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the<br>>> > revelations
<br>>> > of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was<br>>> > wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would<br>>>somehow<br>>> > cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.
<br>>> ><br>>> > This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk<br>>>had<br>>> > become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected<br>>>and
<br>>> > treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the<br>>>community.<br>>> ><br>>> > Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any<br>>> > religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
<br>>> > regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions<br>>> > is: isn't<br>>> > there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of<br>>> > naming/identifying<br>
>> > underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two<br>>> > reprobates?<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Saundra Lund<br>>> > Moscow, ID<br>>> ><br>
>> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to<br>>>do<br>>> > nothing.<br>>> > - Edmund Burke<br>>> ><br>>> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
<br>>>Lund.<br>>> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020<br>>>forum<br>>> > without the express written permission of the author.*****<br>>> ><br>>> >
<br>>> > -----Original Message-----<br>>> > From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<br>>><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
</a>]<br>>> > On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>>> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM<br>>> > To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>;<br>>><a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a><br>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>> >
<br>>> > Rememeber Austin,<br>>> ><br>>> > You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf.<br>>> ><br>>> > J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker
<br>>>at<br>>> > the<br>>> > Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<br>>> ><br>>> > J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a<br>
>>boxing<br>>> > match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing<br>>>at<br>>> > the<br>>> > local gym.<br>>> ><br>>> > And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy
<br>>>hat!<br>>> ><br>>> > Doug!<br>>> ><br>>> > PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to<br>>>me<br>>> > didn't bounce.<br>>> >
<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > -----Original Message-----<br>>> > From: J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> > To:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> > Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<br>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>> ><br>>> > Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
<br>>> > questioner.<br>>> > Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.<br>>> ><br>>> > Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it<br>>> > and<br>>> > therefore you donnae get it from me.
<br>>> ><br>>> > See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it<br>>> > was<br>>> > directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let you<br>>> > boys
<br>>> > take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you<br>>> > have,<br>>> > you failed.<br>>> ><br>>> > Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
<br>>> > Hoffman,<br>>> > you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the<br>>> > meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<br>>> > great
<br>>> > deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next<br>>> > move?<br>>> ><br>>> > Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that<br>>> > improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.
<br>>> ><br>>> > Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor<br>>> > who's<br>>> > machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to.<br>>> >
<br>>> > Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<br>>> > lot<br>>> > of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<br>>> > Dougie-boy<br>
>> > - can you say "Sucker!"?<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > J :]<br>>> ><br>>> > P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<br>>> >
<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > >From: "Austin Storm" <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>> > >To: "J Ford" <
<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> > >CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
<br>>> > >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700<br>>> > ><br>>> > >J,<br>>> > ><br>>> > >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You<br>>> > >alternate
<br>>> > >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<br>>> > Forgive<br>>> > >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem<br>>> > borderline
<br>>> > >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy<br>>> > >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure<br>>> > he<br>>> > >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf
<br>>>who<br>>> > >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on<br>>> > multiple<br>>> > >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named<br>>> > [name deleted SL]. =P
<br>>> > ><br>>> > >Regards,<br>>> > ><br>>> > >Austin<br>>> > ><br>>> > >On 8/24/06, J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>> wrote:<br>>> > >><br>>> > >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to<br>>> > >>reply<br>>> > >>to questions directed to him?
<br>>> > >><br>>> > >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,<br>>> > >><br>>> > >>such self-depreciation....<br>>> > >><br>>> > >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are
<br>>>now<br>>> > >>that<br>>> > >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?<br>>> > >><br>>> > >>No? Oh well.....<br>>> > >>
<br>>> > >><br>>> > >><br>>> > >>J :]<br>>> > >><br>>> > >><br>>> > >><br>>> > >><br>>> > >><br>>> > >> >From: "David Williams" <
<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> > >> >To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> > >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>> > >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400<br>>> > >> ><br>>> > >> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
<br>>> > >>point<br>>> > >> >in the bushes.<br>>> > >> ><br>>> > >> ><br>>> > >> >>From: "J Ford" < <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> > >> >>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> > >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>> > >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
<br>>> > >> >><br>>> > >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<br>>> > >> >><br>>> > >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
<br>>> > and<br>>> > >>YOUR<br>>> > >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<br>>> > >> >><br>>> > >> >><br>>> > >> >>J :]
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