Keely,<br> <br> I hope you know that Joseph McCarthy is of no relation to Paul McCarthy. The former was gay and had no genetic children of his own. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA <br><br><b><i>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Nahh, the cute one. YOu know -- Paul McCarthy, son of the odious <br>red-baiting senator in the 50s.<br><br>keely<br><br><br>From: Joe Campbell <joekc @adelphia.net=""><br>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com, Nils Peterson <nils_peterson @wsu.edu=""><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO<br>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 6:03:51 -0700<br><br>John Lenin?<br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""> wrote:<br><br>=============<br>Joe,<br><br> I have ridden enough buses to know that most people
that ride the bus do <br>so because it is their best or only option.<br><br> You are as inaccurate about the ridership of buses as you are of your own <br>political standing. You are indeed a far leftest:<br><br><br>Economic Left/Right: -5.88<br>Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62<br> That is a leftest, if not a socialist. You rank up there along with Mao <br>Tse Tung and Lenin.<br><br> Best,<br><br> _DJA<br><br>Joe Campbell <joekc @adelphia.net=""> wrote: I might regret this in the morning <br>BUT:<br><br>1/ I'm not a "far leftist." To suggest that I am shows just how far right <br>this country has gone. I love baseball, apple pie, hot dogs, and Subaru.<br><br>2/ In most semesters -- like this one -- the bus is my main form of <br>transportation to work. And I work in another state!<br><br>3/ Come ride the bus with me, Donovan, and you'll see that, in Moscow at <br>least, "most people" do not ride it for "economic reasons." Some do but <br>most do not. I
bet you'll have fun, too!<br><br>(Before responding to this last point recall that I actually ride the buses <br>in Moscow and you do not. )<br><br>Best, Joe<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold wrote:<br><br>=============<br>I said real ridership Joe. I did not say everyone. You and Niles on <br>occasion in Moscow is not real ridership. And I can tell you, most people <br>that ride a bus, train, subway, trolley etc. do so for economic reasons. <br>What is funny about some of you adult far leftists is that you take a <br>general statement, intended to be a general statement, and try to prove it <br>is an inaccurate statement by providing one or two examples, out of <br>billions of instances, in an attempt to disprove its accuracy. Cows do not <br>fly because you have see one catapulted across the sky. It might be true in <br>an instance or two, but for the most part, cows don't fly.<br><br><br> Best,<br><br> _DJA<br><br>Nils Peterson wrote: Actually, the bus is a
"Third Place" in the way that <br>the COOP deli and One<br>World are. People don't just ride, they enjoy one another and network. Now<br>if they just served refreshments...<br><br><br>On 8/24/06 12:04 PM, "Joe Campbell" wrote:<br><br> > The funny thing, Donovan, is that both Nils and I ride the bus. Neither <br>of us<br> > have to ride the bus out of economic necessity. Your comments are just <br>funny!<br> > The fact is both Nils and I love to ride the bus and there are a bunch of<br> > others like us. I told you that on the next to last bus of the day from <br>WSU<br> > yesterday there was standing room only.<br> ><br> > --<br> > Joe Campbell<br> ><br> > ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:<br> ><br> > =============<br> > Niles writes:<br> ><br> ><br> > "I doubt we'll find the political will to<br> > take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."<br> ><br> > Niles, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the
Earth,<br> > then the Earth is surly doomed.<br> ><br> > Dan Carscallen writes:<br> ><br> > "Hey, you gotta start somewhere."<br> ><br> > What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way<br> > across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are. <br>We<br> > will<br> > not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic<br> > and soon.<br> ><br> ><br> > The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic<br> > necessity of the riders.<br> ><br> > Nobody WANTS to ride a bus. They smell, they are crowded, unsafe, <br>unclean,<br> > inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is <br>their<br> > best<br> > option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.<br> ><br> > If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them <br>clean,<br> > safer, more convenient, and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats
that <br>have<br> > online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.<br> ><br> > For Moscow, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely.<br> ><br> > Best,<br> ><br> > _DJA<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Nils Peterson wrote: Thanks Dan for sharing<br> > information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand<br> > that they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. Perhaps <br>we<br> > need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.<br> ><br> > And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small -- <br>because<br> > without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to <br>take<br> > the scale of actions Donovan suggests.<br> ><br> ><br> > On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:<br> > Donovan says:<br> > "You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth<br> > even a day
to do these tiny things."<br> ><br> > Hey, you gotta start somewhere.<br> ><br> > An aside to Joe: Believe you me, my good buddy Tom LaPointe is getting<br> > the word out there as far as Moscow Valley Transit is concerned. Would<br> > he like more people to ride the bus? Heck yes, but I'm here to tell you<br> > that I've seen charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows<br> > nothing but increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit. While I'm<br> > not a guy who would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including<br> > a short bicycle or motorcycle commute to work -- I'm all in favor of<br> > having that option for people.<br> ><br> > DC<br> ><br> > =======================================================<br> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> > http://www.fsr.net<br> >
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