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<DIV><FONT size=4>Austin,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>An English Composition lesson:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>You write: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>"I'm not trying to attack
her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar."</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The second clause in above sentence (the clause which follows
the comma) is a contradiction of the first clause of the sentence.
Decrying someone as a liar is an attack by you whether the allegation used in
the attack is true or not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Is it possible that part of your English language training has
been injected, not surprisingly, by Master Chris Schlect at
NSA?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=austinstorm@gmail.com href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">Austin Storm</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=sslund@adelphia.net
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in
trouble?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Ms. Lund,<BR><BR>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to
attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar.<BR><BR>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are
accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of
this third person? <BR><BR>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing
personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and
said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the
error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. <BR><BR>-Austin<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/25/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Saundra
Lund</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target=_blank> sslund@adelphia.net </A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">[My
apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<BR>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<BR><BR>Visionaries:<BR><BR>Is
it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
newest<BR>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children
(they<BR>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? <BR><BR>To
me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<BR>.
. . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<BR>to
support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<BR>same.<BR><BR>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's
something<BR>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this
new trend<BR>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just
about a bridge <BR>too far, IMHO.<BR><BR>This behavior seems particularly
loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<BR>right here on V2020 during our
recent discussions following the revelations<BR>of the crimes of two child
molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was <BR>wrong, we were told,
to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<BR>cause harm to the
many unnamed victims and their families.<BR><BR>This seems to me yet another
example of the double-standard the Kirk had <BR>become infamous
for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
and<BR>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
community.<BR><BR>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic
(and any <BR>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate
counsel<BR>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
is: isn't<BR>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic
of naming/identifying <BR>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to
intimidate by these two<BR>reprobates?<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow,
ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained
herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<BR>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<BR>without the express written
permission of the author.***** <BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target=_blank>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<BR>On Behalf Of <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"
target=_blank>heirdoug@netscape.net</A><BR>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57
AM<BR>To: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>;
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com"
target=_blank>austinstorm@gmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR><BR>Rememeber Austin,<BR><BR>You would be correct in
saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. <BR><BR>J. Ford would not make
her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<BR>Episcopal
Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<BR><BR>J. Ford, who
was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing <BR>match, would
never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<BR>local
gym.<BR><BR>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery
cowboy hat!<BR><BR>Doug!<BR><BR>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work
that Mike Hoffman wrote to me <BR>didn't
bounce.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: J Ford <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com
</A>><BR>To: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com
</A><BR>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR><BR>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by
attacking the<BR>questioner.<BR>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae,
really.<BR><BR>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae
earned it<BR>and<BR>therefore you donnae get it from me.<BR><BR>See, the
question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys,
it<BR>was<BR>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he
chooses to let you <BR>boys<BR>take the lead and try to distract people and
unfortunately since you<BR>have,<BR>you failed.<BR><BR>Again, Dougie - since
the projects you fought - well through Mike<BR>Hoffman,<BR>you fought since
neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the <BR>meetings - the City
to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<BR>great<BR>deal of City
time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your
next<BR>move?<BR><BR>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's
done all that <BR>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for
nothing, Matt.<BR><BR>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista,
Verizon, the contractor<BR>who's<BR>machines and supplies just sat for weeks
without payment would like to. <BR><BR>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the
Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<BR>lot<BR>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with
a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<BR>Dougie-boy<BR>- can you say
"Sucker!"?<BR><BR><BR>J :] <BR><BR>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood
need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Austin Storm"
<<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target=_blank>
austinstorm@gmail.com</A>><BR>>To: "J Ford" < <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>CC: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<BR>><BR>>J,<BR>><BR>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask
honest questions. You<BR>>alternate<BR>>between questions that are
actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<BR>Forgive<BR>>me for being so
blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<BR>borderline<BR>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads
to conspiracy<BR>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.).
I'm also sure<BR>he<BR>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you
are Jackie Woolf who <BR>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and
you've denied on<BR>multiple<BR>>occassions that you are this person or
that you have a son named<BR>[name deleted SL].
=P<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>><BR>>Austin <BR>><BR>>On 8/24/06, J
Ford <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've
taken on his duty to <BR>>>reply <BR>>>to questions directed to
him?<BR>>><BR>>>Wow - such dedication, such
loyalty,<BR>>><BR>>>such
self-depreciation....<BR>>><BR>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the
community know what yer plans are now <BR>>>that<BR>>>the bottom
seems to have fallen out of another one of yer
schemes?<BR>>><BR>>>No? Oh
well.....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>J :]<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >From: "David Williams" <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>davidwilliams365@hotmail.com </A>><BR>>> >To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>, <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> >Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <BR>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006
10:58:38 -0400<BR>>> > <BR>>> >Why do you even
ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet
vantage<BR>>>point<BR>>> >in the bushes.<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target=_blank>
privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>> >>To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> >>Subject:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <BR>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug
2006 18:20:27 -0700 <BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy,
you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold
indefinitely<BR>and<BR>>>YOUR <BR>>> >>project is on hold on
N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>J :]<BR>>> >><BR>>>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Austin:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>An English Composition lesson:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>You write: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>"I'm not trying to attack
her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar."</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The part of the above sentence which follows the comma, is a
contradiction of the first clause of the sentence. Decrying someone as
aliar is an attack whehter or not the allegation is true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Is it possible that part of your English language training
comes from Master Chris Schlect at NSA?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=austinstorm@gmail.com href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">Austin Storm</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=sslund@adelphia.net
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in
trouble?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Ms. Lund,<BR><BR>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to
attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar.<BR><BR>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are
accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of
this third person? <BR><BR>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing
personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and
said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the
error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. <BR><BR>-Austin<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/25/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Saundra
Lund</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target=_blank> sslund@adelphia.net </A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">[My
apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<BR>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<BR><BR>Visionaries:<BR><BR>Is
it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
newest<BR>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children
(they<BR>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? <BR><BR>To
me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<BR>.
. . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<BR>to
support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<BR>same.<BR><BR>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's
something<BR>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this
new trend<BR>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just
about a bridge <BR>too far, IMHO.<BR><BR>This behavior seems particularly
loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<BR>right here on V2020 during our
recent discussions following the revelations<BR>of the crimes of two child
molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was <BR>wrong, we were told,
to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<BR>cause harm to the
many unnamed victims and their families.<BR><BR>This seems to me yet another
example of the double-standard the Kirk had <BR>become infamous
for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
and<BR>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
community.<BR><BR>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic
(and any <BR>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate
counsel<BR>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
is: isn't<BR>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic
of naming/identifying <BR>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to
intimidate by these two<BR>reprobates?<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow,
ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained
herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<BR>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<BR>without the express written
permission of the author.***** <BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target=_blank>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<BR>On Behalf Of <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"
target=_blank>heirdoug@netscape.net</A><BR>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57
AM<BR>To: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>;
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com"
target=_blank>austinstorm@gmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR><BR>Rememeber Austin,<BR><BR>You would be correct in
saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. <BR><BR>J. Ford would not make
her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<BR>Episcopal
Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<BR><BR>J. Ford, who
was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing <BR>match, would
never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<BR>local
gym.<BR><BR>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery
cowboy hat!<BR><BR>Doug!<BR><BR>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work
that Mike Hoffman wrote to me <BR>didn't
bounce.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: J Ford <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com
</A>><BR>To: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com
</A><BR>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR><BR>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by
attacking the<BR>questioner.<BR>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae,
really.<BR><BR>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae
earned it<BR>and<BR>therefore you donnae get it from me.<BR><BR>See, the
question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys,
it<BR>was<BR>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he
chooses to let you <BR>boys<BR>take the lead and try to distract people and
unfortunately since you<BR>have,<BR>you failed.<BR><BR>Again, Dougie - since
the projects you fought - well through Mike<BR>Hoffman,<BR>you fought since
neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the <BR>meetings - the City
to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<BR>great<BR>deal of City
time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your
next<BR>move?<BR><BR>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's
done all that <BR>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for
nothing, Matt.<BR><BR>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista,
Verizon, the contractor<BR>who's<BR>machines and supplies just sat for weeks
without payment would like to. <BR><BR>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the
Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<BR>lot<BR>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with
a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<BR>Dougie-boy<BR>- can you say
"Sucker!"?<BR><BR><BR>J :] <BR><BR>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood
need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Austin Storm"
<<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target=_blank>
austinstorm@gmail.com</A>><BR>>To: "J Ford" < <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>CC: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<BR>><BR>>J,<BR>><BR>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask
honest questions. You<BR>>alternate<BR>>between questions that are
actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<BR>Forgive<BR>>me for being so
blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<BR>borderline<BR>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads
to conspiracy<BR>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.).
I'm also sure<BR>he<BR>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you
are Jackie Woolf who <BR>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and
you've denied on<BR>multiple<BR>>occassions that you are this person or
that you have a son named<BR>[name deleted SL].
=P<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>><BR>>Austin <BR>><BR>>On 8/24/06, J
Ford <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've
taken on his duty to <BR>>>reply <BR>>>to questions directed to
him?<BR>>><BR>>>Wow - such dedication, such
loyalty,<BR>>><BR>>>such
self-depreciation....<BR>>><BR>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the
community know what yer plans are now <BR>>>that<BR>>>the bottom
seems to have fallen out of another one of yer
schemes?<BR>>><BR>>>No? Oh
well.....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>J :]<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >From: "David Williams" <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>davidwilliams365@hotmail.com </A>><BR>>> >To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>, <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> >Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <BR>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006
10:58:38 -0400<BR>>> > <BR>>> >Why do you even
ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet
vantage<BR>>>point<BR>>> >in the bushes.<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target=_blank>
privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>> >>To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> >>Subject:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <BR>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug
2006 18:20:27 -0700 <BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy,
you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold
indefinitely<BR>and<BR>>>YOUR <BR>>> >>project is on hold on
N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<BR>>> >><BR>>>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Austin:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>An English Composition lesson:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>You write: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>"I'm not trying to attack
her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar."</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The part of the above sentence which follows the comma, is a
contradiction of the first clause of the sentence. Decrying someone as
aliar is an attack whehter or not the allegation is true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Is it possible that part of your English language training
comes from Master Chris Schlect at NSA?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=austinstorm@gmail.com href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">Austin Storm</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=sslund@adelphia.net
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 25, 2006 11:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in
trouble?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Ms. Lund,<BR><BR>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to
attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a
liar.<BR><BR>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are
accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of
this third person? <BR><BR>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing
personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and
said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the
error. So would Doug F, I'm sure. <BR><BR>-Austin<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/25/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Saundra
Lund</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target=_blank> sslund@adelphia.net </A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">[My
apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<BR>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<BR><BR>Visionaries:<BR><BR>Is
it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
newest<BR>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children
(they<BR>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters? <BR><BR>To
me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<BR>.
. . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<BR>to
support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<BR>same.<BR><BR>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's
something<BR>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this
new trend<BR>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just
about a bridge <BR>too far, IMHO.<BR><BR>This behavior seems particularly
loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<BR>right here on V2020 during our
recent discussions following the revelations<BR>of the crimes of two child
molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was <BR>wrong, we were told,
to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<BR>cause harm to the
many unnamed victims and their families.<BR><BR>This seems to me yet another
example of the double-standard the Kirk had <BR>become infamous
for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
and<BR>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
community.<BR><BR>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic
(and any <BR>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate
counsel<BR>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
is: isn't<BR>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic
of naming/identifying <BR>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to
intimidate by these two<BR>reprobates?<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow,
ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained
herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<BR>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<BR>without the express written
permission of the author.***** <BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target=_blank>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<BR>On Behalf Of <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"
target=_blank>heirdoug@netscape.net</A><BR>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57
AM<BR>To: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>;
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com"
target=_blank>austinstorm@gmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR><BR>Rememeber Austin,<BR><BR>You would be correct in
saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf. <BR><BR>J. Ford would not make
her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<BR>Episcopal
Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<BR><BR>J. Ford, who
was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing <BR>match, would
never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<BR>local
gym.<BR><BR>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery
cowboy hat!<BR><BR>Doug!<BR><BR>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work
that Mike Hoffman wrote to me <BR>didn't
bounce.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: J Ford <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com
</A>><BR>To: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com
</A><BR>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR><BR>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by
attacking the<BR>questioner.<BR>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae,
really.<BR><BR>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae
earned it<BR>and<BR>therefore you donnae get it from me.<BR><BR>See, the
question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys,
it<BR>was<BR>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he
chooses to let you <BR>boys<BR>take the lead and try to distract people and
unfortunately since you<BR>have,<BR>you failed.<BR><BR>Again, Dougie - since
the projects you fought - well through Mike<BR>Hoffman,<BR>you fought since
neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the <BR>meetings - the City
to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<BR>great<BR>deal of City
time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your
next<BR>move?<BR><BR>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's
done all that <BR>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for
nothing, Matt.<BR><BR>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista,
Verizon, the contractor<BR>who's<BR>machines and supplies just sat for weeks
without payment would like to. <BR><BR>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the
Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<BR>lot<BR>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with
a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<BR>Dougie-boy<BR>- can you say
"Sucker!"?<BR><BR><BR>J :] <BR><BR>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood
need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Austin Storm"
<<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target=_blank>
austinstorm@gmail.com</A>><BR>>To: "J Ford" < <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>CC: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Wilsonvile in trouble?<BR>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<BR>><BR>>J,<BR>><BR>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask
honest questions. You<BR>>alternate<BR>>between questions that are
actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<BR>Forgive<BR>>me for being so
blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<BR>borderline<BR>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads
to conspiracy<BR>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.).
I'm also sure<BR>he<BR>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you
are Jackie Woolf who <BR>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and
you've denied on<BR>multiple<BR>>occassions that you are this person or
that you have a son named<BR>[name deleted SL].
=P<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>><BR>>Austin <BR>><BR>>On 8/24/06, J
Ford <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've
taken on his duty to <BR>>>reply <BR>>>to questions directed to
him?<BR>>><BR>>>Wow - such dedication, such
loyalty,<BR>>><BR>>>such
self-depreciation....<BR>>><BR>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the
community know what yer plans are now <BR>>>that<BR>>>the bottom
seems to have fallen out of another one of yer
schemes?<BR>>><BR>>>No? Oh
well.....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>J :]<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >From: "David Williams" <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>davidwilliams365@hotmail.com </A>><BR>>> >To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>, <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> >Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <BR>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006
10:58:38 -0400<BR>>> > <BR>>> >Why do you even
ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet
vantage<BR>>>point<BR>>> >in the bushes.<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target=_blank>
privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>> >>To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> >>Subject:
[Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble? <BR>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug
2006 18:20:27 -0700 <BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy,
you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold
indefinitely<BR>and<BR>>>YOUR <BR>>> >>project is on hold on
N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<BR>>> >><BR>>>
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