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<DIV><FONT size=4>God (alleged, choose the one that pleases you most) save the
Queen!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan and I agree on at least some fundamental
outlooks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>1. There is a limited amount of
terrestrial/atmospheric resources. There are and will be too many people
competing for these resources. Further, overuse of some of these resources
creates life/quality of life threatening environmental problems for all plants
and animals including humankind. Think about this: What would happen
if at least half of the world's human population lived at the same standard of
resource usage as the US and western Europe?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>2. Petroleum resources are not only quite
limited, but their uses are a leading cause of many life/quality of life
threatening problems. Hence, a very high tax on such products may help
motivate a search for much better, kinder to the earth, plants and animals
(including humankind) alternatives, and also decrease their usage and the
associated problems.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>However, I also think the pessimistic outlook of Nils that we
lack the political will to do what needs to be done before it is too late is
also accurate.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nils_peterson@wsu.edu
href="mailto:nils_peterson@wsu.edu">Nils Peterson</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=areaman@moscow.com href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE
TO DO</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Niles writes:<BR><BR><PRE><TT>"I doubt we'll find the political will to <BR>take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."<BR><BR>Niles, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the Earth,<BR>then the Earth is surly doomed. <BR><BR>Dan Carscallen writes:<BR><BR></TT>"Hey, you gotta start somewhere."<BR><BR>What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way<BR>across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are. We will<BR>not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic<BR>and soon. <BR><BR><BR>The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic<BR>necessity of the riders. <BR><BR>Nobody WANTS to ride a bus. They smell, they are crowded, unsafe, unclean,<BR>inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is their best<BR>option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.<BR><BR>If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them clean,<BR>safer, more convenient,
and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that have<BR>online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.<BR><BR>For Moscow, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><TT><BR><BR></TT></PRE><BR><BR><B><I>Nils
Peterson <nils_peterson@wsu.edu></I></B> wrote:
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">Thanks
Dan for sharing information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand<BR>that
they have a new route for commuters from Lewiston to Moscow. Perhaps
we<BR>need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are
growing.<BR><BR>And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start
small -- because<BR>without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the
political will to take<BR>the scale of actions Donovan suggests.<BR><BR><BR>On
8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:<BR>Donovan says:<BR>"You guys are
thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth<BR>even a day to do
these tiny things."<BR><BR>Hey, you gotta start somewhere.<BR><BR>An aside to
Joe: Believe you me, my good buddy Tom LaPointe is getting<BR>the word out
there as far as Moscow Valley Transit is concerned. Would<BR>he like more
people to ride the bus? Heck yes, but I'm here to tell you<BR>that I've seen
charts and graphs and whatnot presented by Tom that shows<BR>nothing but
increasing ridership for Moscow Valley Transit. While I'm<BR>not a guy who
would normally ride the bus -- various reasons, including<BR>a short bicycle
or motorcycle commute to work -- I'm all in favor of<BR>having that option for
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