How dare you! I *like* Merchant Ivory films. =)<br><br>-Austin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Carl Westberg</b> <<a href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I only eat animals that are free range, allowed to check out books at the
<br>public library, limited to no more than 1 hour of television a day, listen<br>to Yanni CD's while discussing philosophy with one another over a pitcher of<br>Guinness at the Ale House, and, when the time has come, aren't slaughtered,
<br>but rather simply bored to death watching Merchant Ivory films. No guilt<br>here, Donovan. Carl Westberg Jr.<br><br><br>>From: Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
</a>><br>>To: David Williams <<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>,<br>> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris<br>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:26:47 -0700 (PDT)<br>><br>>If you guys think treating a brainless bird is bad, you ought to see the<br>>way they treat and kill pigs which are more intellectually capable, and
<br>>anatomically and genetically closer to humans than your pet dog or cat.<br>><br>> I don't think you can really think about how your food is made, eat and<br>>be psychologically healthy. You cannot be thinking poor pig, poor cow,
<br>>poor bird, poor fish, poor apple, poor bacteria. You have to kill<br>>something living in order to live. It is the law of nature, God's<br>>decision, not ours. When I eat an animal, I don't think of it as killing
<br>>another animal, but saving a bunch of ones that animal was going to eat<br>>had I let it live. But in all do respect, I think it is best to be on the<br>>top of the food chain, not the bottom, however, we at some point will end
<br>>up there. Eventually, something is going to eat you.<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>>David Williams <<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com</a>
> wrote: Jackie asks "why<br>>would you take it off your menu?"<br>><br>>Because he doesn't have any. Thats called false advertising. If he<br>>doesn't<br>>have any, he's not going to advertise that he does, giving false
<br>>impressions<br>>to local patrons. Also, for your reference, he's getting it all the way<br>>from France, and if you're not up to date on your geography, thats pretty<br>>far away. You know, in Europe.<br>
><br>><br>> >From: "J Ford"<br>><br>> >To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris<br>> >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:30:44 -0700
<br>> ><br>> >First of all, it is is not ***Moscow*** showing an interest in anything,<br>> >especially when 'tis kirkers doing the selling and kirkers doing the<br>> >buying.<br>> ><br>> >Second, "we almost sold out our first night."
<br>> ><br>> >is translated as "we sold a bit of it to our friends and numerous family<br>> >members and ended up throwing the rest out due to spoilage reasons."<br>> ><br>> >Third, "The people complaining about foie gras have a point. The way the
<br>> >birds are being stuffed is questionable, and I do believe it's important<br>>to<br>> >treat animals humanely. I will put foie gras on my menu again when I find<br>>a<br>> >producer that doesn't engage in force feeding"
<br>> ><br>> >is translated as "They complain, but so what? Can they prove what they<br>> >say?<br>> > I will do what I want - its my restaurant."<br>> ><br>> >Fourth, "This is a group that was looking for something to use against my
<br>> >business and they found something," he said. "While I believe there are<br>> >some<br>> >valid concerns here, I'm not going to stop serving what people want. I<br>>will<br>> >put foie gras on my menu again"
<br>> ><br>> >is translated as "THEY are all against me. This is religious persecution<br>> >and I will not cave - well, ok I am for now, but I WILL BE BACK."<br>> ><br>> >Geez, why bother taking it off the menu if all you're doing is waiting
<br>>for<br>> >the next shipment and hoping people outside yer church donnae find out<br>>you<br>> >got it? How disingenuous can you get?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >J :]<br>> ><br>> >
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > >From: "Saundra Lund"<br>> > >To: "'Megan Prusynski'" ,<br>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris<br>> > >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:55:57 -0700
<br>> > ><br>> > >Hi Megan & Visionaries:<br>> > ><br>> > >The following article is from today's Daily News and seems to paint a<br>> > >slightly different picture. In particular, I take exception with Mr.
<br>> > >Foucachon's statement, "He wants local activists, who got their hands<br>>on<br>> >an<br>> > >outdated menu earlier this week, to know their threats of protest mean<br>> > >nothing to him or his staff."
<br>> > ><br>> > >The "outdated" menu came directly from West of Paris' Web site the very<br>> >day<br>> > >I posted my concerns, not from some nefarious source. And, we know<br>
>from<br>> > >Mr.<br>> > >Foucachon's comments right here on the Viz that he was aware of the<br>> > >inhumanity of the product *before* he included it on West of Paris'<br>>menu<br>> > >:-(((
<br>> > ><br>> > >Anyway, here's the article:<br>> > ><br>> > >"Foie gras controversy hits Moscow<br>> > >Activists up in arms over delicacy's inclusion on restaurant menu; item
<br>> >has<br>> > >since been removed<br>> > ><br>> > >By Alexis Bacharach Daily News staff writer<br>> > >Published: 08-23-2006<br>> > ><br>> > >Foie gras is no longer available at Moscow's West of Paris, but not for
<br>> >the<br>> > >reasons one might think.<br>> > ><br>> > >Restaurant owner Francis Foucachon sold out of the item his first week<br>>in<br>> > >business.<br>> > ><br>
> > >He wants local activists, who got their hands on an outdated menu<br>>earlier<br>> > >this week, to know their threats of protest mean nothing to him or his<br>> > >staff.<br>> > >
<br>> > >"Here is the bottom line," he said. "I ordered a small amount just to<br>>see<br>> > >if<br>> > >there was a demand in Moscow. It was such a huge success, we almost<br>
>sold<br>> > >out<br>> > >our first night."<br>> > ><br>> > >Foie gras, French for fatty liver, is produced through a process of<br>> > >force-feeding ducks and geese until their livers become saturated with
<br>> >fat.<br>> > ><br>> > >Handlers insert tubes down the birds' throats and funnel pounds of<br>> >cornmeal<br>> > >into their stomachs several times a day.<br>> > ><br>> > >Megan Prusynski, a local activist with People for the Ethical Treatment
<br>> >of<br>> > >Animals and the Humane Society of the United States, said consumption<br>>of<br>> > >foie gras went down in areas that provided focused education and<br>>outreach<br>> > >programs.
<br>> > ><br>> > >With that in mind, she's teaming with local and national groups,<br>> >including<br>> > >Compassion Speaks at Washington State University, to organize protests<br>>in<br>
> > >Friendship Square later this month.<br>> > ><br>> > >"There are still a lot of people out there who don't know what foie<br>>gras<br>> >is<br>> > >or how it's made," she said. "When I heard there was a restaurant in
<br>> >Moscow<br>> > >serving it, I started talking to people about doing some kind of<br>>protest<br>> >to<br>> > >raise people's awareness - maybe get it banned."<br>> > ><br>
> > >More than a dozen countries, including Israel, Germany, the United<br>> >Kingdom,<br>> > >Austria, the Czech Republic, Finland, Italy, Poland and Denmark, have<br>> > >outlawed the French delicacy.
<br>> > ><br>> > >In the United States, lawmakers are proposing bans at the state and<br>> > >municipal levels.<br>> > ><br>> > >The California Legislature passed a phased ban last year on the
<br>> >production<br>> > >and sale of foie gras. Earlier this month, city leaders in Chicago<br>>banned<br>> > >the controversial item from all menus in the city.<br>> > ><br>> > >"The people complaining about foie gras have a point," Foucachon said.
<br>> >"The<br>> > >way the birds are being stuffed is questionable, and I do believe it's<br>> > >important to treat animals humanely. I will put foie gras on my menu<br>> >again<br>> > >when I find a producer that doesn't engage in force feeding."
<br>> > ><br>> > >PETA spokesman Matt Prescott said that's a victory for animal rights,<br>> > >because Foucachon will never find what he's looking for.<br>> > ><br>> > >"There are producers in the industry who say their foie gras is
<br>>produced<br>> > >humanely, but such claims are unsubstantiated," he said.<br>>"Investigations<br>> >at<br>> > >every foie gras farm has uncovered incidents of sick, dead and abused
<br>> > >animals. We've seen birds with holes in their throats and bloody beaks.<br>> > >We've seen farms where dead birds were dangling from wires, dripping<br>> >blood<br>> > >on the live birds."
<br>> > ><br>> > >Video footage and photo galleries on PETA's Web site provide images of<br>> > >birds<br>> > >with gaping wounds, images of blood-soaked cages and buckets full of<br>> > >feathered corpses.
<br>> > ><br>> > >"No animal should be subject to torture," Foucachon said. "But these<br>> >things<br>> > >they're complaining about, I would suggest American chickens are<br>
>treated<br>> > >far<br>> > >worse than the ducks and the geese. Why aren't people writing letters<br>>and<br>> > >staging protests at the grocery stores and restaurants that sell<br>> >chicken?"
<br>> > ><br>> > >Why stop there, he asked?<br>> > ><br>> > >Foucachon suggested protests against restaurants that cook live<br>>lobsters.<br>> > ><br>> > >"This is a group that was looking for something to use against my
<br>> >business<br>> > >and they found something," he said. "While I believe there are some<br>>valid<br>> > >concerns here, I'm not going to stop serving what people want. I will<br>>put
<br>> > >foie gras on my menu again."<br>> > ><br>> > >Alexis Bacharach can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 238, or by<br>>e-mail<br>> > >at<br>> > ><a href="mailto:abacharach@dnews.com">
abacharach@dnews.com</a> "<br>> > >________<br>> > ><br>> > >A Very Disappointed Saundra Lund<br>> > >Moscow, ID<br>> > ><br>> > >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
<br>>do<br>> > >nothing.<br>> > >- Edmund Burke<br>> > ><br>> > >***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra<br>>Lund.<br>> > >Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
<br>>forum<br>> > >without the express written permission of the author.*****<br>> > ><br>> > >-----Original Message-----<br>> > >From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><br>> >[mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>> > >On Behalf Of Megan Prusynski<br>> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:55 AM
<br>> > >To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris<br>> > ><br>> > >I also wanted to give you all an update on West of Paris and the foie
<br>> >gras<br>> > >issue. Mr. Foucachon has decided to take foie gras off the menu and I<br>> >would<br>> > >like to congratulate and thank him for making the compassionate choice.<br>> > >Hopefully his kind actions can be a way to educate people about just
<br>>what<br>> > >goes into foie gras production and how cruel it is. Thanks very much,<br>>Mr.<br>> > >Foucachon and West of Paris. :)<br>> > ><br>> > >=======================================================
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