<font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">"Simply coming up with an alternate fuel source will not work. It needs government support." Tom Hansen<br> <br> Tom,<br> <br> Governments don't solve problems, individuals and entrepreneurship does. All government can do is stand in or out of the way, or move problems from one location to another. <br> <br> Let the free market determine WHAT alternative fuel we will use. Setting a fixed price of $7.50 per gallon in the next 5 years, lets the market know what the going rate will be and they can invest and plan better. If the government forces people to buy bio-diesel and someone comes up with a better more economically and environmentally sound method, we couldn't use it. The first of a new technology is usually not the one society sticks with. Let the capitalists present us with there different options, put them on the market, and then
let Americans pick one, two or three options. Maybe even having two different types of cars, a Coke and Pepsi competition driving down the prices, instead of one fuel source. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br> </span></font><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"> <o:SmartTagType
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{mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">One good idea would be to re-invest in bio-diesel research. The program was promoted and supported under the Clinton administration and terminated under the Bush administration.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Simply coming up with an alternate fuel source will not work. It needs government support. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Remember the “Get the Lead Out!” campaign that was mandated by government policy? It worked. If the government mandates that all vehicles will be fueled with bio-diesel by the year 2012, you can bet your last gallon of regular gas that Exxon, Standard Oil, etc. etc. will do their best to get into the bio-diesel market.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Has anybody got any ideas on how to develop some SERIOUS interest in alternate fuels, the kind of ideas that will “spark a fire” of major interest within the George “All for Oil” Bush administration?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Moscow</span></font></st1:City><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy;">"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
ride!'"</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Art Deco<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:41 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Vision 2020<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">God (alleged, choose the one that pleases you most) save the Queen!</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Donovan and I agree on at least some fundamental outlooks.</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">1.
There is a limited amount of terrestrial/atmospheric resources. There are and will be too many people competing for these resources. Further, overuse of some of these resources creates life/quality of life threatening environmental problems for all plants and animals including humankind. Think about this: What would happen if at least half of the world's human population lived at the same standard of resource usage as the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> and western Europe?</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">2. Petroleum resources are not only quite limited, but their uses are a leading cause of many
life/quality of life threatening problems. Hence, a very high tax on such products may help motivate a search for much better, kinder to the earth, plants and animals (including humankind) alternatives, and also decrease their usage and the associated problems.</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">However, I also think the pessimistic outlook of Nils that we lack the political will to do what needs to be done before it is too late is also accurate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><br> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br> <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div style=""> <div class="MsoNormal" style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a href="mailto:nils_peterson@wsu.edu" title="nils_peterson@wsu.edu">Nils Peterson</a> ; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com" title="areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:30 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Niles</span></font></st1:place></st1:City> writes:<o:p></o:p></div> <pre><tt><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"I doubt we'll find the
political will to </span></font></tt><br><br><tt><font face="Courier New">take the scale of actions Donovan suggests."</font></tt><br><br><br><br><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><tt><font face="Courier New">Niles</font></tt></st1:place></st1:City><tt><font face="Courier New">, if we lack the will to do what it takes to save the Earth,</font></tt><br><br><tt><font face="Courier New">then the Earth is surly doomed. </font></tt><br><br><br><br><tt><font face="Courier New">Dan Carscallen writes:</font></tt><br><br><br><br>"Hey, you gotta start somewhere."<br><br><br><br>What's the point of building a catapult to go 1/4 the way<br><br>across a canyon we must cross, you are better off staying where you are. We will<br><br>not save the Earth if this generation does not do something drastic<br><br>and soon. <br><br><br><br><br><br>The only reason buses have real ridership is because of economic<br><br>necessity of the riders. <br><br><br><br>Nobody WANTS to ride a bus.
They smell, they are crowded, unsafe, unclean,<br><br>inconvenient, slow, and uncomfortable. People do it mostly because it is their best<br><br>option, not because they are trying to save the Earth.<br><br><br><br>If you really want to raise bus ridership raise gas prices, make them clean,<br><br>safer, more convenient,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> and much more comfortable. Add cushy seats that have<br><br>online access, more buses, more locations, and give them their own lane.<br><br><br><br>For <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>, a trolley on the old railroad tracks would work nicely. <br><br><br><br>Best,<br><br><br><br>_DJA<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> <br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Nils
Peterson <nils_peterson@wsu.edu></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks Dan for sharing information on Valley Transit ridership. I understand<br> that they have a new route for commuters from <st1:City w:st="on">Lewiston</st1:City> to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. Perhaps we<br> need periodic reminders of the data that these systems are growing.<br> <br> And thanks for pointing out that we can, and need, to start small -- because<br> without that personal action, I doubt we'll find the political will to take<br> the scale of actions Donovan suggests.<br> <br> <br> On 8/24/06 8:13 AM, "areaman> wrote:<br> Donovan says:<br> "You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth<br> even a day to do these tiny things."<br> <br> Hey, you gotta start somewhere.<br> <br> An
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