I don't think eating lettuce and carrot sticks is going to save the environment, no matter how many you eat and everyone else. The only way to do it is to raise the price of gasoline and reduce the human population. If the world raises the price of gasoline to $7.50 a gallon over the next 5 years it would force everyone economically to switch to an alternative form of fuel that would be better on the Earth, maybe even reverse the effects.<br> <br> The second, is to maintain the human population. The Earth cannot sustain 12 billion people for very long, it just cannot--even if they just eat tofu, cabbage and sprouts. The current birth rate of the world it will shortly be 12 billion. There is only three ways to stop overpopulation; mass murder, mass sterilization and abortion, or economic enforcement. I prefer economic enforcement. Making it so expensive to raise a child so that only 1.8 children per fertile woman are born, or zero population growth, is the way
to go. Many Western countries are going this route already. China uses law enforcement and forced abortion to control their population--I don't want to go that route.<br> <br> You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth even a day to do these tiny things. If the Earth's environment is going to be saved, it has to be on a HUGE scale, all over the world, and people will have to be forced to do it by <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">economic necessity</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">.</span> Trying to do it politically, socially, educating, or choosing one by one to change and start caring for the world--it ain't gonna happen that way folks. Think BIG for a BIG Problem. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br><b><i>Nils Peterson <nils_peterson@wsu.edu></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px;
padding-left: 5px;"> I'm not too surprised that there was not an outpouring of personal actions<br>to my previous question -- I'm about immobilized by the challenge as well.<br><br>Carbon neutral is an interesting concept, but knowing if something is carbon<br>neutral is hard, and, given that most things include a transportation<br>element, its going to be hard to be neutral.<br><br>Megan's veggie idea, as subsequently modified by other suggestions is one<br>that resonates for me -- eat lower on the carbon input chain, which means<br>eat local. That's something I can work on.<br><br>SO now, I want to move the discussion out a level, what are WE, as Moscow,<br>gonna do?<br><br>I got a piece of good news last night, PCEI has converted a vehicle to<br>bio-diesel and they are talking about how to work with other fleets in town<br>to convert them, and have a local bio-diesel supply. I know a couple other<br>bio-diesel drivers around already and having a supply closer than
Lewiston<br>would be welcome news to them.<br><br>The COOP gives a discount for getting there by foot. One of the businesses<br>in Alturas Park (Anatech maybe?) gives employees a financial incentive per<br>mile that they travel to work by foot power. WSU & UI run a bus between the<br>campuses and its free to students and employees (but UI almost cut the<br>service this summer -- sad statement on their green commitment)<br><br>What else can we, in whatever collective groups, begin doing?<br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<br></blockquote><br><p> 
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