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<DIV><FONT size=4>Bruce,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>If there is someone working for the city that is interested
enough in this issue, perhaps they will tell us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Here's one city's policy/information brochure:</FONT></DIV>
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<H1>Installation of Traffic Signals</H1><BR>
<H2>When Are Traffic Signals Installed?</H2>Traffic signals have been used for
many decades to control traffic flow. This has provided engineers opportunities
to study their positive and negative impacts, to identify when signals should be
installed and to determine how they should be operated. National and state
standards have been developed in order to provide uniformity and maximum benefit
to the public. <BR><BR>When used under the right conditions, traffic signals may
improve traffic flow and safety. In considering when and where traffic signals
should be installed, engineers gather information on traffic flows. This may
include the amount of vehicle traffic for each fifteen minute period of the day,
the direction of traffic, turning vehicles and pedestrians and bicyclists
(especially near schools). Traffic speeds and the development in the area are
also considered along with the number of travel lanes available at the location.
<BR><BR>Traffic flow information assists in determining the potential impacts of
a traffic signal on travel delays and how many vehicles can be served by the
intersection (capacity). All signals have the potential to increase delays or
decrease capacity to some traffic movement and decrease delays or increase
capacity to other traffic movements. Both total delay and capacity impacts and
individual movements are considered. <BR><BR>The history of incidents
(collisions) at the location are also reviewed. This is of particular importance
since some types of incidents (such as right angle or broadside) may be reduced
in frequency with installation of a traffic signal. However, other types of
incidents (such as rear end collisions) may increase with installation of a
signal. When one street serves a much greater number of vehicles than the
crossing street, the potential for an increase in the frequency of traffic
incidents is higher. <BR><BR>Other considerations include growth trends,
potential traffic diversions, where other future controls in the area may be
likely and whether other changes may be more appropriate. The impact on overall
traffic flow upstream and downstream of the signal is also of concern.<BR><BR>
<H2>Signal Costs</H2>When properly applied, traffic signals represent a sound
public investment in the transportation system. <FONT color=#ff0000
size=5><STRONG>A new traffic signal installation may cost $150,000 to
$200,000.</STRONG></FONT> Such expenditures should be made only when justified
and with consideration of other needed projects. <BR><BR>When not properly
justified, the cost of a traffic signal is much greater than the installation
cost. Other costs to the public may include time lost to unnecessary delays,
increased frequency of incidents, increased fuel consumption and pollution and
increased inconveniences and frustration. These wasteful public costs may easily
exceed the installation cost of the signal in a single year.<BR><BR>
<H2>New Signal Caution</H2>Whenever a new traffic control is installed, the
public may need several months to adjust to the new control. Many drivers need
time to break old driving habits. Although drivers should always drive with
caution, they should be especially careful the first few months after
installation of a new signal.<BR><BR>
<H2>Traffic Signal Misconceptions</H2>People may request traffic signals based
on misconceptions of traffic signal impacts. For example, persons may hear of
one incident, especially if a fatality occurs, and conclude that a traffic
signal should be installed. As previously stated, traffic signals do not
necessarily reduce the frequency of incidents. In any case, making significant
conclusions from a single or few incidents, especially without knowledge of the
actual incident causes, will typically result in incorrect actions.
<BR><BR>People may also request a traffic signal because it is difficult to
cross or enter a busy street. If this alone were the reason for installing a
traffic signal, busy arterials would have signals at almost all intersections
and driveways, making travel extremely difficult. Sufficient traffic on cross
streets is necessary to justify stopping major street traffic. The majority of
miles traveled is on arterial streets. If cross streets were signalized at low
traffic volumes, the few moments saved entering or crossing the major street
would be lost many times over in travel along the arterial. In short, drivers
are in the major street flow far more often than they are in the cross street
flow. Even when the cross street volumes are sufficient to justify stopping the
major street flow, the total delay to traffic may be increased. <BR><BR>Closely
spaced traffic signals are of concern since they typically become more difficult
to operate together and minimize stops and delays along major streets. Close
spacing may result in gridlock when the line of vehicles from a signal backs up
into other intersections. Diversion of traffic may also be a concern, especially
if traffic is encouraged to use residential streets either to reach or avoid a
signal. </FONT><FONT size=4><A
href="http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/departments/traffic/pamp_6.html">http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/departments/traffic/pamp_6.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>No, but I would like to know, since I suggested a light
that operates during high traffic and child pedestrian times. At
other times of day, I think that Mountainview Road ought to
retain its current non-stop right of way, via a blinking yellow light
instead of a permanent four way stop. How much would that solution
cost?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bruce Livingston</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:53
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Line and
6th</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Do you have any idea how much properly designed, smart
traffic signals cost?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> ; <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:24 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>That would be good .But I don't understand why MSD doesn't buy
one now.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Ivie <<A
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">the_ivies3@yahoo.com</A>></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>Donovan,</DIV>
<DIV>How about a compromise? Put up 4-way stop signs until a grant can
go through for a stop light. This way there will be something there in
the interim.<BR><BR><B><I>Donovan Arnold <<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">What
are you people on crack? Line and 6th (a three way, not four way stop) is
backed up for blocks several times a day. Cars are half way to Deakin
every time I go through there. And college students don't all get out off
classes at exactly the same time like they do on Mt. View and D. I
don't use that road. But I think people will be very upset if a four way
stop is placed on that intersection instead of a stop light. Letting 20
cars go at a time is much faster then one at a time, and
safer.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>Art Deco
<deco@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=4>How do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain View
and D will clog traffic for blocks? Do you have access to traffic
studies and the engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us
are ignorant of?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>There are several busy intersections with
four-way stops that function fine without clogging traffic for
blocks: Blaine and 6th, Blaine and White, Hayes and D, Line and
6th (although this can back up traffic for about one block on the east
side at peak times, but no big deal), A and Line, are a few
examples.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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Original Message -----
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=rhayes@turbonet.com
href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com">roger hayes</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however,
for a stop light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street
clogged for blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative
routes speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when
and if that road ever reopens). <BR><BR>It sounds logical to put a four
way stop there. But I think the volume of traffic is great and this will
create greater problems on that corner and elsewhere in town. How much
longer does it take for four cars to come to a stop, then go one at a
time? Multiply that by the number of cars, if will a good 10-15 minutes
longer to across town on that section of road.
<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>roger hayes
<rhayes@turbonet.com></I></B> wrote:
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A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that
<BR>> intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not
just <BR>> occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign
would be a cheap, <BR>> effective way to slow the traffic enough so
drivers would be more <BR>> aware of children and pedestrians in
the crosswalk. We'd probably want <BR>> to leave the blinking
yellow light though.<BR><BR>Roger Hayes<BR><BR>><BR>>> I
think the city has viewed Mt. View as an arterial for the
increasing<BR>>> numbers of houses on the outskirts of
Moscow.<BR>>> As a person who frequently crosses this
intersection on foot and by<BR>>> bicycle, I think a 4 way stop
sign at D and Mt. View is a good idea<BR>>> indeed. People tend
to really zip through that area. It will, however,<BR>>> change
the nature of Mt. View from commuting arterial to urban
street.<BR>>> But given all the schools, the pool, and rec.
centers in the area, the<BR>>> change will not be a bad
thing.<BR>><BR>> Roger Hayes<BR>><BR>>> From: cynthia
nichols <CYNTHIANN0 @mac.com=""><BR>>> To: Bruce and Jean
Livingston <JEANLIVINGSTON @turbonet.com=""><BR>>> CC: john
weber <JWEBER @ci.moscow.id.us="">, Nancy Chaney <BR>>> <NCHANEY
@moscow.com="">,<BR>>> bill lambert <BLAMBERT
@ci.moscow.id.us="">, Vision 2020<BR>>> <VISION2020
@moscow.com="">, Robert Stout <BSTOUT
@ci.moscow.id.us="">,<BR>>> john dickinson <JOHNDICKINSON
@moscow.com=""><BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works
Meeting<BR>>> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40
-0700<BR>>><BR>>> This is a good idea. No sense in making
EVERYONE on Mountain View<BR>>> stop all day long when there is
only a problem twice a day. Or even<BR>>> having the lights on
Mtn. View blink yellow most of the day and blink<BR>>> red
during those peak-use times.<BR>>><BR>>> The city needs to
require the developer to finish the sidewalk on the<BR>>> east
side of Mountain View too-between Hillcrest and Rolling
Hills.<BR>>><BR>>> cynthia
nichols<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:21
AM, Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>
Frankly, I don't understand why they don't put a traffic
light<BR>>>> there, set it<BR>>>> for blinking
yellow much of the day in the Mountainview direction,<BR>>>>
but run<BR>>>> it with actual red and green alternating
lights for the high<BR>>>> traffic, "kid"<BR>>>>
times, say 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even 6 pm
given<BR>>>> the "kid<BR>>>> use" of the athletic
facilities all around that intersection. The<BR>>>>
traffic<BR>>>> back-up on D St. can be significant, and a
regimented crossing<BR>>>> opportunity<BR>>>> that
an actual red light on Mountainview would provide is <BR>>>>
significant.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Parents would also be
much more likely to allow children to walk to<BR>>>>
school<BR>>>> if they had confidence in the safety of their
child when crossing<BR>>>> Mountainview at D
Street.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Bruce
Livingston<BR>>>><BR>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> From: "Craine Kit" <KCRAINE
@verizon.net=""><BR>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <VISION2020
@moscow.com=""><BR>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21
AM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works
Meeting<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> Here are
the photos showing the flashing
lights.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Kit
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