Bruce,<br> <br>Your suggestion would be a better solution then a permanent four way stop. But I think the best solution would be for the MSD to pay for a traffic controller for the intersection for the start and end of school days. <br> <br> MSD said they had enough money set aside for a traffic light there and said they were going to put it up. I guess they bailed on that idea. <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name="GENERATOR"> <div> <div><font face="Arial">No, but I would like to know, since I suggested a light that operates during high traffic and child pedestrian times. At other times of day, I think that Mountainview Road
ought to retain its current non-stop right of way, via a blinking yellow light instead of a permanent four way stop. How much would that solution cost?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Bruce Livingston</font></div></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:53 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th</div> <div><br></div> <div><font size="4">Do you have any idea how much properly designed, smart traffic signals
cost?</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a> ; <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:24 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Line
and 6th</div></div> <div><br></div>That would be good .But I don't understand why MSD doesn't buy one now.<br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>Tom Ivie <<a href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">the_ivies3@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <div>Donovan,</div> <div>How about a compromise? Put up 4-way stop signs until a grant can go through for a stop light. This way there will be something there in the interim.<br><br><b><i>Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">What are you people on crack? Line and 6th (a three way, not four way stop) is backed up for blocks several times a day. Cars are half way to Deakin every
time I go through there. And college students don't all get out off classes at exactly the same time like they do on Mt. View and D. I don't use that road. But I think people will be very upset if a four way stop is placed on that intersection instead of a stop light. Letting 20 cars go at a time is much faster then one at a time, and safer.<br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font size="4">How do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain View and D will clog traffic for blocks? Do you have access to traffic studies and the engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us are ignorant of?</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">There are several busy intersections with four-way stops that function fine without clogging traffic for blocks: Blaine and 6th, Blaine and White, Hayes and D, Line and 6th (although this can back up traffic for about one block on the east side at peak times, but no big deal), A and Line, are a few examples.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan
Arnold</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="rhayes@turbonet.com" href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com">roger hayes</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D</div></div> <div><br></div>I am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however, for a stop light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street clogged for blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative routes speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when and if that road ever reopens). <br><br>It sounds logical to put a four way stop there. But I think the volume of traffic is great and this will create greater problems on that corner and elsewhere in town. How much longer does it take for four cars to come to a stop, then go one at a time? Multiply that by
the number of cars, if will a good 10-15 minutes longer to across town on that section of road. <br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>roger hayes <rhayes@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">> A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that <br>> intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not just <br>> occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign would be a cheap, <br>> effective way to slow the traffic enough so drivers would be more <br>> aware of children and pedestrians in the crosswalk. We'd probably want <br>> to leave the blinking yellow light though.<br><br>Roger Hayes<br><br>><br>>> I think the city has viewed Mt. View as an arterial for the
increasing<br>>> numbers of houses on the outskirts of Moscow.<br>>> As a person who frequently crosses this intersection on foot and by<br>>> bicycle, I think a 4 way stop sign at D and Mt. View is a good idea<br>>> indeed. People tend to really zip through that area. It will, however,<br>>> change the nature of Mt. View from commuting arterial to urban street.<br>>> But given all the schools, the pool, and rec. centers in the area, the<br>>> change will not be a bad thing.<br>><br>> Roger Hayes<br>><br>>> From: cynthia nichols <CYNTHIANN0 @mac.com=""><br>>> To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <JEANLIVINGSTON @turbonet.com=""><br>>> CC: john weber <JWEBER @ci.moscow.id.us="">, Nancy Chaney <br>>> <NCHANEY @moscow.com="">,<br>>> bill lambert <BLAMBERT
@ci.moscow.id.us="">, Vision 2020<br>>> <VISION2020 @moscow.com="">, Robert Stout <BSTOUT @ci.moscow.id.us="">,<br>>> john dickinson <JOHNDICKINSON @moscow.com=""><br>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting<br>>> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40 -0700<br>>><br>>> This is a good idea. No sense in making EVERYONE on Mountain View<br>>> stop all day long when there is only a problem twice a day. Or even<br>>> having the lights on Mtn. View blink yellow most of the day and blink<br>>> red during those peak-use times.<br>>><br>>> The city needs to require the developer to finish the sidewalk on the<br>>> east side of Mountain View too-between Hillcrest and Rolling Hills.<br>>><br>>> cynthia nichols<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:21
AM, Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Frankly, I don't understand why they don't put a traffic light<br>>>> there, set it<br>>>> for blinking yellow much of the day in the Mountainview direction,<br>>>> but run<br>>>> it with actual red and green alternating lights for the high<br>>>> traffic, "kid"<br>>>> times, say 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even 6 pm given<br>>>> the "kid<br>>>> use" of the athletic facilities all around that intersection. The<br>>>> traffic<br>>>> back-up on D St. can be significant, and a regimented crossing<br>>>> opportunity<br>>>> that an actual red light on Mountainview would provide is <br>>>> significant.<br>>>><br>>>> Parents
would also be much more likely to allow children to walk to<br>>>> school<br>>>> if they had confidence in the safety of their child when crossing<br>>>> Mountainview at D Street.<br>>>><br>>>> Bruce Livingston<br>>>><br>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: "Craine Kit" <KCRAINE @verizon.net=""><br>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><br>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21 AM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> Here are the photos showing the flashing lights.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Kit Craine<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving
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