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<DIV><FONT size=4>One problem at the center of this issue is the value question
of which is more important: The risk to pedestrian (and vehicular) safety
or increased vehicular throughput.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>When I was very young, I lived in an area where safety
was given a very high priority. This commitment was backed by signage
and LEO enforcement with citations. Perhaps now more people are more
"me-oriented" with a higher concern for completing their tasks in a given time
period than they are about the safety and activities of others. Have our
values changed so that for many the importance of safety at D and Mountain View
(and other risky intersections) is not a big concern for many.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The crosswalk near Tri-State continues being a problem.
Yesterday a very visible pedestrian was almost hit by a motorist who apparently
decided that if he honked his horn it was alright to speed through the
crosswalk.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Because of the construction there is more traffic on Main
through downtown. Pedestrians need to be aware of the increased peril by
impatient drivers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Part of this issue may also related to having a blasé city
manager who does not live in the city, hence does not make the observations the
residents do, does not seem to care as much as some residents do, and does not
have to face the comments of his neighbors about the city when he goes
home.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 21, 2006 3:46 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'd also like to add that most drivers on the UI Campus are aware
that students will be at the crosswalks and that they should stop for
them. Campus is seen as a pedestrian-centered area, probably because of
the habits the students have of just blindly walking into the
intersections. This is how they've been taught through experience.
At Mountain View and D streets, you're on a 35 mph road which many people think
of as a road that is more traffic-centered than pedestrian-centered, although
they should be thinking of it as the opposite at that intersection. There
are also turn lanes at that intersection, making the crossing distance
greater.<BR><BR>I'm behind the idea of a light there, it would be safer for
everybody. I understand that there are costs involved, but with the Junior
High, the elementary school, and the water park there, I think it would be a lot
safer.<BR><BR>As someone else posted, I think a four-way stop for now while a
grant is being worked on would be a good place to start. I also like the
idea of getting some more numbers tallied on the subject, but you have to do
more than just maximize throughput. You have to maximise safety for the
children even at the expense of driving time. Especially there. In
my opinion, anyway.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Donovan Arnold wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid20060821213505.58813.qmail@web38114.mail.mud.yahoo.com
type="cite">What are you people on crack? Line and 6th (a three way, not four
way stop) is backed up for blocks several times a day. Cars are half way to
Deakin every time I go through there. And college students don't all get out
off classes at exactly the same time like they do on Mt. View and D. I
don't use that road. But I think people will be very upset if a four way stop
is placed on that intersection instead of a stop light. Letting 20 cars go at
a time is much faster then one at a time, and
safer.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>Art Deco <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><deco@moscow.com></A></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=4>How do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain View and D
will clog traffic for blocks? Do you have access to traffic studies
and the engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us are ignorant
of?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>There are several busy intersections with
four-way stops that function fine without clogging traffic for
blocks: Blaine and 6th, Blaine and White, Hayes and D, Line and 6th
(although this can back up traffic for about one block on the east side at
peak times, but no big deal), A and Line, are a few examples.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">-----
Original Message -----
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=rhayes@turbonet.com
href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com">roger hayes</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however, for
a stop light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street clogged
for blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative routes
speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when and if that
road ever reopens). <BR><BR>It sounds logical to put a four way stop there.
But I think the volume of traffic is great and this will create greater
problems on that corner and elsewhere in town. How much longer does it take
for four cars to come to a stop, then go one at a time? Multiply that by the
number of cars, if will a good 10-15 minutes longer to across town on that
section of road. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>roger hayes <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com"><rhayes@turbonet.com></A></I></B>
wrote:
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A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that <BR>>
intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not just
<BR>> occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign would be a
cheap, <BR>> effective way to slow the traffic enough so drivers would
be more <BR>> aware of children and pedestrians in the crosswalk. We'd
probably want <BR>> to leave the blinking yellow light
though.<BR><BR>Roger Hayes<BR><BR>><BR>>> I think the city has
viewed Mt. View as an arterial for the increasing<BR>>> numbers of
houses on the outskirts of Moscow.<BR>>> As a person who frequently
crosses this intersection on foot and by<BR>>> bicycle, I think a 4
way stop sign at D and Mt. View is a good idea<BR>>> indeed. People
tend to really zip through that area. It will, however,<BR>>> change
the nature of Mt. View from commuting arterial to urban
street.<BR>>> But given all the schools, the pool, and rec. centers
in the area, the<BR>>> change will not be a bad
thing.<BR>><BR>> Roger Hayes<BR>><BR>>> From: cynthia
nichols <CYNTHIANN0 @mac.com=""><BR>>> To: Bruce and Jean Livingston
<JEANLIVINGSTON @turbonet.com=""><BR>>> CC: john weber <JWEBER
@ci.moscow.id.us="">, Nancy Chaney <BR>>> <NCHANEY
@moscow.com="">,<BR>>> bill lambert <BLAMBERT @ci.moscow.id.us="">,
Vision 2020<BR>>> <VISION2020 @moscow.com="">, Robert Stout <BSTOUT
@ci.moscow.id.us="">,<BR>>> john dickinson <JOHNDICKINSON
@moscow.com=""><BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works
Meeting<BR>>> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40
-0700<BR>>><BR>>> This is a good idea. No sense in making
EVERYONE on Mountain View<BR>>> stop all day long when there is only
a problem twice a day. Or even<BR>>> having the lights on Mtn. View
blink yellow most of the day and blink<BR>>> red during those
peak-use times.<BR>>><BR>>> The city needs to require the
developer to finish the sidewalk on the<BR>>> east side of Mountain
View too-between Hillcrest and Rolling Hills.<BR>>><BR>>>
cynthia nichols<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Aug 16, 2006, at
11:21 AM, Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>
Frankly, I don't understand why they don't put a traffic
light<BR>>>> there, set it<BR>>>> for blinking yellow
much of the day in the Mountainview direction,<BR>>>> but
run<BR>>>> it with actual red and green alternating lights for
the high<BR>>>> traffic, "kid"<BR>>>> times, say 7 a.m.
to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even 6 pm given<BR>>>> the
"kid<BR>>>> use" of the athletic facilities all around that
intersection. The<BR>>>> traffic<BR>>>> back-up on D St.
can be significant, and a regimented crossing<BR>>>>
opportunity<BR>>>> that an actual red light on Mountainview would
provide is <BR>>>> significant.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Parents would also be much more likely to allow children to walk
to<BR>>>> school<BR>>>> if they had confidence in the
safety of their child when crossing<BR>>>> Mountainview at D
Street.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Bruce
Livingston<BR>>>><BR>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> From: "Craine Kit" <KCRAINE
@verizon.net=""><BR>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <VISION2020
@moscow.com=""><BR>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21
AM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works
Meeting<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> Here are the
photos showing the flashing
lights.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Kit
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