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I'd also like to add that most drivers on the UI Campus are aware that
students will be at the crosswalks and that they should stop for them.
Campus is seen as a pedestrian-centered area, probably because of the
habits the students have of just blindly walking into the
intersections. This is how they've been taught through experience. At
Mountain View and D streets, you're on a 35 mph road which many people
think of as a road that is more traffic-centered than
pedestrian-centered, although they should be thinking of it as the
opposite at that intersection. There are also turn lanes at that
intersection, making the crossing distance greater.<br>
<br>
I'm behind the idea of a light there, it would be safer for everybody.
I understand that there are costs involved, but with the Junior High,
the elementary school, and the water park there, I think it would be a
lot safer.<br>
<br>
As someone else posted, I think a four-way stop for now while a grant
is being worked on would be a good place to start. I also like the
idea of getting some more numbers tallied on the subject, but you have
to do more than just maximize throughput. You have to maximise safety
for the children even at the expense of driving time. Especially
there. In my opinion, anyway.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
Donovan Arnold wrote:
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cite="mid20060821213505.58813.qmail@web38114.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
type="cite">What are you people on crack? Line and 6th (a three way,
not four way stop) is backed up for blocks several times a day. Cars
are half way to Deakin every time I go through there. And college
students don't all get out off classes at exactly the same time like
they do on Mt. View and D. I don't use that road. But I think people
will be very upset if a four way stop is placed on that intersection
instead of a stop light. Letting 20 cars go at a time is much faster
then one at a time, and safer.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
<br>
<b><i>Art Deco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><deco@moscow.com></a></i></b> wrote:
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<div><font size="4">How do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain
View and D will clog traffic for blocks? Do you have access to traffic
studies and the engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us
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<div><font size="4">There are several busy intersections with
four-way stops that function fine without clogging traffic for blocks:
Blaine and 6th, Blaine and White, Hayes and D, Line and 6th (although
this can back up traffic for about one block on the east side at peak
times, but no big deal), A and Line, are a few examples.</font></div>
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<div><b>To:</b> <a title="rhayes@turbonet.com"
href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com">roger hayes</a> ; <a
title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D</div>
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I am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however, for a stop
light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street clogged for
blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative routes
speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when and if
that road ever reopens). <br>
<br>
It sounds logical to put a four way stop there. But I think the volume
of traffic is great and this will create greater problems on that
corner and elsewhere in town. How much longer does it take for four
cars to come to a stop, then go one at a time? Multiply that by the
number of cars, if will a good 10-15 minutes longer to across town on
that section of road. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
<br>
<b><i>roger hayes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rhayes@turbonet.com"><rhayes@turbonet.com></a></i></b> wrote:
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A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that <br>
> intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not just
<br>
> occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign would be a
cheap, <br>
> effective way to slow the traffic enough so drivers would be more <br>
> aware of children and pedestrians in the crosswalk. We'd probably
want <br>
> to leave the blinking yellow light though.<br>
<br>
Roger Hayes<br>
<br>
><br>
>> I think the city has viewed Mt. View as an arterial for the
increasing<br>
>> numbers of houses on the outskirts of Moscow.<br>
>> As a person who frequently crosses this intersection on foot
and by<br>
>> bicycle, I think a 4 way stop sign at D and Mt. View is a good
idea<br>
>> indeed. People tend to really zip through that area. It will,
however,<br>
>> change the nature of Mt. View from commuting arterial to urban
street.<br>
>> But given all the schools, the pool, and rec. centers in the
area, the<br>
>> change will not be a bad thing.<br>
><br>
> Roger Hayes<br>
><br>
>> From: cynthia nichols <CYNTHIANN0 @mac.com=""><br>
>> To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <JEANLIVINGSTON @turbonet.com=""><br>
>> CC: john weber <JWEBER @ci.moscow.id.us="">, Nancy Chaney <br>
>> <NCHANEY @moscow.com="">,<br>
>> bill lambert <BLAMBERT @ci.moscow.id.us="">, Vision 2020<br>
>> <VISION2020 @moscow.com="">, Robert Stout <BSTOUT
@ci.moscow.id.us="">,<br>
>> john dickinson <JOHNDICKINSON @moscow.com=""><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting<br>
>> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40 -0700<br>
>><br>
>> This is a good idea. No sense in making EVERYONE on Mountain
View<br>
>> stop all day long when there is only a problem twice a day. Or
even<br>
>> having the lights on Mtn. View blink yellow most of the day
and blink<br>
>> red during those peak-use times.<br>
>><br>
>> The city needs to require the developer to finish the sidewalk
on the<br>
>> east side of Mountain View too-between Hillcrest and Rolling
Hills.<br>
>><br>
>> cynthia nichols<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Bruce and Jean Livingston wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Frankly, I don't understand why they don't put a traffic
light<br>
>>> there, set it<br>
>>> for blinking yellow much of the day in the Mountainview
direction,<br>
>>> but run<br>
>>> it with actual red and green alternating lights for the
high<br>
>>> traffic, "kid"<br>
>>> times, say 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even 6
pm given<br>
>>> the "kid<br>
>>> use" of the athletic facilities all around that
intersection. The<br>
>>> traffic<br>
>>> back-up on D St. can be significant, and a regimented
crossing<br>
>>> opportunity<br>
>>> that an actual red light on Mountainview would provide is <br>
>>> significant.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Parents would also be much more likely to allow children
to walk to<br>
>>> school<br>
>>> if they had confidence in the safety of their child when
crossing<br>
>>> Mountainview at D Street.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bruce Livingston<br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> From: "Craine Kit" <KCRAINE @verizon.net=""><br>
>>> To: "Vision 2020" <VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><br>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21 AM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> Here are the photos showing the flashing lights.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Kit Craine<br>
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