Haven't really been following this discussion, but thought I'd jump in. "Not following zoning laws" is a slander and a smokescreen, and you should know better keely.<br><br>-Austin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 8/15/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">keely emerinemix</b> <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Does the vision of Doug Wilson and his elders and the fellows at NSA for a<br>transformed culture include a society where people obey zoning laws imposed<br>by civil authority and eschew lying en masse to one's neighbors?
<br><br>Golly, that does sound nifty!<br><br>keely<br><br><br><br><br><br>From: "Taro Tanaka" <<a href="mailto:taro_tanaka@hotmail.com">taro_tanaka@hotmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point<br>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:46:22 +0000<br><br>Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>[[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that
<br>slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some instances of<br>slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the slave<br>was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis of
<br>their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If he<br>ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to apologize to<br>those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this mess. ]]
<br><br>Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant because it<br>is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of Wilson's<br>teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on the
<br>basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually say is<br>plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The<br>likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him apologizing to
<br>people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be zero,<br>because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has recognized<br>that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be embarrassed
<br>by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by no<br>stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence<br>against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and preaching) for
<br>society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably when<br>that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the governmental<br>system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
<br>perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather than<br>protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work of the<br>Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
<br>society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some sort of<br>a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some sort<br>of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to the
<br>Taliban notwithstanding.<br><br>[[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]<br><br>Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate anything<br>except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your radical
<br>relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter someone who<br>really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact of<br>the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and diversity
<br>are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox Christianity<br>in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't mean<br>that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020 -- is
<br>self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a certain<br>spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated<br>hostility to God's biblical revelation and to biblical revelation's God.
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