Jackie,<br> <br> Most of the links you gave were outdated, and as such were vague, in sometimes inaccurate. Here is a couple of better links that I think are more useful in a practical sense to the common person:<br> <br> <br> <div class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5488463">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5488463</a></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.unc.edu/%7Ecory/autism-info/autism.html#Behavior">http://www.unc.edu/~cory/autism-info/autism.html#Behavior</a></div> <br> I don't think it is any of your business when exactly I was diagnosed with ASD, but obviously it was in the last 12 years like everybody else. Since it is genetic, found on chromosome part 17Q21, everyone with ASD is born with it, so timing of diagnosis is pointless to any logical or valid argument you may be trying to make with that question. <br> <br> It doesn't matter if
you approve of it or accept it or not, or like Wayne Fox, think that we or doctor's manipulate our genetics to make up an illness is some government conspiracy theory of his. It is definable, observable, measurable, and testable. Therefore it exists and is just real scientifically as the water you drink, air you breath , or the earth you are standing on. <br> <br> No, ASD doesn't not directly force someone to be rude back to a handful or people that disapprove and attack others. A scientific explanation:<br> <br> <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">"Asperger syndrome does not have direct implications for aggressive behavior, but such behavior may be a secondary issue arising from frustration, or from negative interactions with other. . .people who themselves have been irritated by the <u>apparently</u> provocative or self-centered style of the individual with Asperger syndrome." <-----(Sound familiar)<br> <br>
You also misunderstand ASD as demonstrated when you stated:<br> <br> </span>"What you are describing is what happens face-to-face. YOU, OTOH, are doing <br> things via a reading medium - much easier for a person with Asperger's to <br> deal with. No one is sending you pictures facial expressions or body <br> language and then asking you to deal with it. Your words are very clearly <br> nasty, meant to hurt and show no remorse. THAT is nae Asperger's. Sorry, <br> but that just dosenae wash."<br> <br> <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Sorry but. . .<br> </span> <div class="MsoNormal">"e.g., impaired comprehension of questions, open-ended questions and nonliteral language such as irony, sarcasm, and jokes; word-retrieval problems and unusual, pedantic word choices; echolalia; difficulty formulating coherent discourse; narrow range of topics"<br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><br> Email makes it even more
difficult to discern if someone is being ironic, sarcastic etc. then in person. Even people with generally good social skills have difficultly sometimes with that vis email. You are making the error that asperger's is not recognizing social ques because they are physically blind, not because they don't understand social structure and human emotional responses. That is different.<br> <br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">Naturally, I assume that everything you say Jackie, along with Joan Opyr, Rose Huskey, Wayne Fox, Tom Hansen, Keely Mix, and a few others on here, is meant to be as destructive, hurtful, and nonfriendly as possible because that is all I know that you do and see you do, call people names, yells at them in public, file made up complaints against people, and send nasty emails about them repeatedly, and there is a good deal of vandalized property of people that disagree with you guys as well. <br> <br> </div> <div
class="MsoNormal">So when I write anything to response to you, it generally is returned in the same tone as I read and interpret it, unpleasant and hurtful. Now, it may be possible that you are not intending to be cruel and derogatory in your emails to me and others, however, since that seems to be the only thing I see you guys do, I assume it is what you are doing.<br> <br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">For example, you wrote:<br> <br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">"If you truly have AS, get the help that is out there for it. If you have constructive, helpful, community-minded ideas, offer them. But get off the "pity potty" that seems so easy for you and your "big daddy figure" to sit on; it stinks! And it hurts people who really do have those problems by putting a bad light on them they donnae deserve."<br> <br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">That is a cruel, sick, mean and an insensitive thing to say. It is ironic stating to being positive and
productive, but saying it in the most unproductive, kewl and nasty way possible. So I think you cannot be serious. Especially coming from someone that seeks revenge on people and has many enemies with destroyed property. <br> <br> </div> If you are truly offended by mean, accusatory, self centered, unproductive emails, as you state, why do you and your friends produce so many of them? <br> <br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br><br><b><i>J Ford <privatejf32@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> This is rot. Just when were you diagnosed with AS?<br><br>Asperger's is a disorder that, like Autism, affects people who, for the most <br>part, are very bright but over loaded. Their senses are just too bombarded <br>and they have trouble dealing with things. There are many, many ways to <br>teach these people how to survive on their own but most find they
have to be <br>with a care giver to some degree or another.<br><br>What you are describing is what happens face-to-face. YOU, OTOH, are doing <br>things via a reading medium - much easier for a person with Asperger's to <br>deal with. No one is sending you pictures facial expressions or body <br>language and then asking you to deal with it. Your words are very clearly <br>nasty, meant to hurt and show no remorse. THAT is nae Asperger's. Sorry, <br>but that just dosenae wash.<br><br>"Although there is no single feature that all people with AS share, <br>difficulties with social behavior are nearly universal and are one of the <br>most important defining criteria. People with AS lack the natural ability to <br>see the subtexts of social interaction, and may lack the ability to <br>communicate their own emotional state, resulting in well-meaning remarks <br>that may offend, or finding it hard to know what is "acceptable". The <br>unwritten rules of social behavior that
mystify so many with AS have been <br>termed the "hidden curriculum". People with AS must learn these social <br>skills intellectually rather than intuitively. A person with AS has trouble <br>understanding the emotions of other people: the messages that are conveyed <br>by facial expression, eye contact and body language are often missed. They <br>also might have trouble showing empathy with other people."<br><br>The very fact that you call people "asses" and say other vile things about <br>them clearly shows you KNOW what you are saying and that it is MEANT to be <br>nasty, disrespectful, deceitful. But, OTOH, you have shown "empathy" to the <br>poor and handicapped, something an AS person would not be able to do.<br><br><br>In light of Mr. Hayes said earlier, I offer the
following:<br><br>http://health.yahoo.com/ency/healthwise/zq1008<br>http://www.webmd.com/hw/mental_health/zq1009.asp<br>http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Aspergers+Disorder&section=Facts+for+Families<br>http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Aspergers<br>http://www.aspergers.com/aspcrit.htm<br>http://www.margaretkay.com/Asperger's%20Syndrome.htm<br><br>If you truly have AS, get the help that is out there for it. If you have <br>constructive, helpful, community-minded ideas, offer them. But get off the <br>"pity potty" that seems so easy for you and your "big daddy figure" to sit <br>on; it stinks! And it hurts people who really do have those problems by <br>putting a bad light on them they donnae deserve.<br><br><br>J :]<br><br><br><br><br><br>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>To: donald huskey <donaldrose @cpcinternet.com="">, "'Dan Carscallen'" <br>><areaman @moscow.com="">,
vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another excuse for bad behavior<br>>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:18:17 -0700 (PDT)<br>><br>>Rose,<br>><br>> Thanks for the misinformed comments. But they are in direct conflict <br>>with Dr. Tony Atwood in Australia and researchers at John Hopkins <br>>Hospital. Asperger's cannot be overcome by simply educating it away! Your <br>>comment is like saying we can get rid of deafness by teaching people how <br>>to listen. The fact is the actual nerves in the brain that perceive <br>>nonverbal and social cues in Asperger's and the nerves that perceive <br>>sound, respectively, are missing, not there, gone, never fully developed.<br>><br>> Rose, people with Asperger's are not stupid, they are simply missing the <br>> nonverbal and social contexts because the "equipment" in the brain to <br>>read and interpret those cues correctly and accurately is not there.
<br>>Imagine not being able to tell accurately when someone is mad, upset, <br>>frustrated, confused, happy, or shy unless they actually tell you. And at <br>>the same time, people not properly reading your cues, because you don't <br>>know how to send them out properly, they think you are upset when you are <br>>not, or are being trying to be mean when you are not trying to be, or they <br>>think you are being coy,and even self centered or a know it all. People <br>>also will not disclose verbally that they are angry, irritated, happy, OK, <br>>fine, or whatever. They expect you to read it on their body language, or <br>>know it. They will also lie, and say they are fine, when in fact they are <br>>not fine. It really can be frustrating and confusing. And not to mention <br>>how irritating it is to<br>> another to be kept asking how they are feeling because that person <br>>cannot properly read their non-verbal
cues.<br>><br>> Teaching someone with Asperger's syndrome what to do in a social <br>>situation is like teaching someone that is color blind what to do when <br>>they see a red light, green light, or yellow light. They understand what <br>>to do, they are not sure when the light is green, yellow, or red, they <br>>cannot see it.<br>><br>> So, to put it clearly. People with Asperger's frequently over or under <br>>react to a social situation because they do not correctly perceive the <br>>social situation, not because they are assholes. Not every person with <br>>Asperger's incorrectly interprets every situation in the same incorrect <br>>manner. Many overreact or interpret the situation as a worse <br>>interpretation possible because of many experiences of being burned (and <br>>not even knowing it because they could not perceive it). Unless someone is <br>>with a person with Asperger's to tell them, that is an
incorrect or <br>>correct assessment of the social situation, education will not help them.<br>><br>> I hope this makes things clear. If not, well, at least I tried, but <br>>there is only so much I can do an say to try and make it a little easier <br>>for you to understand.<br>><br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>><br>><br>>donald huskey <donaldrose @cpcinternet.com=""> wrote: <br>> Donovan writes in part:<br>><br>><br>> “HA HA. You are a riot! I guess you get a kick out of a guy with <br>>Asperger's who tries his best not to come across in written forum as a <br>>know-it-all. As anyone and everyone with Asperger's or Autism does.”<br>><br>> Donovan, if your posts represent “your best” than “your best” won’t <br>>do. Offering Asperger’s as an excuse for your belligerent, perseverant, <br>>and frankly ignorant emails is a pathetic attempt to
garner pity while <br>>justifying your piss poor social skills. Asperger’s Paspergers’s - <br>>sometimes a jackass is just a plain, ordinary, garden variety jackass.<br>><br>> And, by the way, not *every* person with Asperger’s or Autism comes <br>>across as a know-it-all, as you claim. (I hope I am not remembering <br>>correctly that you are doing graduate work in Special Ed if that remark <br>>is a reflection of your attitude.) Appropriate social training from <br>>family members, teachers, and counselors contribute significantly toward <br>>enabling those with (an accurate) diagnosis of Asperger’s to become <br>>successful, contributing members of their communities.<br>><br>> Rose Huskey<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since
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