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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Matt Decker" <mattd2107@hotmail.com></I><BR>To: <I>deco@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American</I><BR>Date: <I>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:21:35 -0700</I><BR>><BR>>W,<BR>><BR>>So according to you, anyone who has a tiny bit of religous faith in them is<BR>>pathetically weak? Man I guess the billions that live in this world who have<BR>>that faith are weak. Heck I tend to think one who can live their life with<BR>>that belief of an unproven higher being as their creator, as more stronger<BR>>than one who can't even fathom that maybe, just maybe something is out<BR>>there.<BR>><BR>>Matt<BR>><BR>> >From: "Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com><BR>> >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> >Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:46:03 -0700<BR>> ><BR>> >Dick,<BR>> ><BR>> >Again your ignorance is appalling.<BR>> ><BR>> >I am a nonbeliever (not an atheist) which means that I believe the evidence<BR>> >purporting to establish supernatural claims including religious ones is<BR>> >such that the probability of the truth of any such claim is very close to<BR>> >zero. I remain open to new, verifiable evidence on the subject. The<BR>> >evidence given by the state of the world today is greatly against the<BR>> >existence of a benevolent, powerful deity. If such a state is evidence of<BR>> >a deity, it is evidence of a sadistic, bumbling one. Any fool who reads<BR>> >the news can see this. But you are not just
any fool, you are a special<BR>> >one.<BR>> ><BR>> >I am sorry that you are so pathetically weak that you cannot live<BR>> >comfortably without your religious fantasies -- some of which appear to be<BR>> >crueler than those of Hitler.<BR>> ><BR>> >W.<BR>> ><BR>> >----- Original Message -----<BR>> >From: Dick Sherwin<BR>> >To: Vision2020 ; Art Deco<BR>> >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:57 PM<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >What is appaling to me is your total loyalty to the cult of atheism which<BR>> >is little more than a religion of rejection of God.<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Art Deco<BR>> > To: Vision 2020<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10,
2006 3:21 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Your ignorance is appalling.<BR>> ><BR>> > W.<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Dick Sherwin<BR>> > To: Art Deco<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:32 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I do not condem Christianity, or consider it a cult. You have quoted<BR>> >from the Old Testament law, which was mitigated by Jesus through atonement.<BR>> ><BR>> > Christians believe all sins not reiterated from the Old Testament to the<BR>> >New Testament were atoned for through the blood of
Christ.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sorry, your little rouse was for no effect, unless you can quote to me<BR>> >from the New Testament where these laws were carried forth from the OT.<BR>> ><BR>> > Dick S.<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Art Deco<BR>> > To: Vision 2020<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:24 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Dick,<BR>> ><BR>> > You write:<BR>> ><BR>> > "I agree, everyone should have the right to worship as they believe,<BR>> >so long as their religion does not
preach death and destruction on others<BR>> >because of their beliefs. "<BR>> ><BR>> > Do you then roundly and unequivocally condemn the religious cult that<BR>> >holds the following views?<BR>> ><BR>> > W.<BR>> ><BR>> > http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "The civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the<BR>> >wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance<BR>> >on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of<BR>> >judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include<BR>> >premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality,
adultery,<BR>> >homosexuality, and cursing one's parents..."<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is<BR>> >punishable by death, with the occasional exception of murder. The<BR>> >magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians<BR>> >believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that the<BR>> >"harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the<BR>> >result of the mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no further<BR>> >application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too<BR>> >often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. This sin is<BR>> >called pity."<BR>> ><BR>> > "If your brother, the son
of your mother, your son or your daughter,<BR>> >the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly<BR>> >entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not<BR>> >consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you<BR>> >spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him..." [Heresy:<BR>> >Beware, ye not of the cult (including unconverted Jews)!]<BR>> ><BR>> > "If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue<BR>> >her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand<BR>> >and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye<BR>> >shall not pity her..."<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > God commands the judge to evaluate
the crime rather than the criminal.<BR>> >If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must be the<BR>> >punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither is the repentance of the<BR>> >accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.<BR>> ><BR>> > "Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has<BR>> >decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to<BR>> >faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not man's... This<BR>> >means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the<BR>> >bounds which God has established for us."<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Dick Sherwin<BR>> > To:
Vision2020 ; Paul Rumelhart<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:51 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Paul Rumelhart wrote: "Your standards are too low. How about you are<BR>> >a True American if the ideas of freedom and liberty for all are important<BR>> >to you? That includes the freedom to believe whatever religion you wish,<BR>> >or none at all."<BR>> > ___________________________________________<BR>> ><BR>> > Personally, I am a little weary of embracing the "whatever religion<BR>> >you wish" syndrone. I agree, everyone should have the right to worship as<BR>> >they believe, so long as their
religion does not preach death and<BR>> >destruction on others because of their beliefs. I am tired of the<BR>> >so-called "Religion of Peace" and their attempts to acquire maximum kill<BR>> >with their terrorist acts.<BR>> ><BR>> > As I said in my original post,<BR>> > "I believe this is apporpriate as well as accurate. I realize there<BR>> >are those who don't believe in any of this but to them all I have to say<BR>> >is, "Oh well!"<BR>> ><BR>> > May God bless you, even if you don't believe in Him.<BR>> ><BR>> > Dick S.<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Paul Rumelhart<BR>>
> To: Vision2020<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:35 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You might be a real American<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > That's what it takes to be a True American? Not to be afraid to<BR>> >show you are a christian? Not to burn the flag? To respect veterans and<BR>> >your elders?<BR>> ><BR>> > Well, I almost made it. I'm not christian, so apparently I can't be<BR>> >a True American. Wonderful.<BR>> ><BR>> > Your standards are too low. How about you are a True American if<BR>> >the ideas of freedom and
liberty for all are important to you? That<BR>> >includes the freedom to believe whatever religion you wish, or none at all.<BR>> ><BR>> > If you support the First Amendment, I would say you are on the path<BR>> >to being a "True American". If you care for your rights and the rights of<BR>> >others equally, I'd say you are a True American. If you get enraged when<BR>> >politicians "game the system", you are a True American.<BR>> ><BR>> > If you get angry when someone claims they are a "Patriot" when they<BR>> >really mean that they blindly support the government or the status quo, you<BR>> >are a True American. Look up what it really means to be a Patriot<BR>> >sometime. Start by imagining the
courage it took for the Founding Fathers<BR>> >to sign the Declaration of Independence and ponder what would have happened<BR>> >to each of them if the revolution had failed.<BR>> ><BR>> > The true values of this country are getting lost in this "Christians<BR>> >- the World's Only Persecuted Majority" crap. What values that have<BR>> >managed to squeak through that mess are wantonly being pulverised by<BR>> >Corporate America. I'd say the truest sign of whether or not you are a<BR>> >True American is if you have had it up to here with all the crap that has<BR>> >happened in the last couple of decades.<BR>> ><BR>> > Paul<BR>> ><BR>> > Dick Sherwin wrote:<BR>>
> I believe this is apporpriate as well as accurate. I realize<BR>> >there are those who don't believe in any of this but to them all I have to<BR>> >say is, "Oh well!"<BR>> ><BR>> > Dick S.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE AMERICAN<BR>> >Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the correct way to LIVE YOUR<BR>> >LIFE ! If you feel the same, pass this on to your True American friends.<BR>> > Ya'll know who ya' are...<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if:
It never occurred to you to be<BR>> >offended by the phrase, "One nation, under God."<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never protested about<BR>> >seeing the 10 Commandments posted in public places.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say "Christmas"<BR>> >instead of "Winter Festival."<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head when someone<BR>> >prays.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place your hand<BR>>
>over your heart when they play the National Anthem.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam vets with<BR>> >great respect, and always have.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned an American<BR>> >flag.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you believe and<BR>> >you aren't afraid to say so, no matter who is listening.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your elders and<BR>> >expect
your kids to do the same.<BR>> ><BR>> > You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last dollar to<BR>> >a friend.<BR>> ><BR>> > If you got this email from me, it is because I believe that you,<BR>> >like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in you to have the same<BR>> >beliefs as those talked about in this email.<BR>> ><BR>> > God Bless the U S A ! and may the U.S.A. BEGIN TO PRAISE AND<BR>> >WORSHIP GOD the way we used to!!!<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>
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