Keely,<br> <br> They are not suspects, no charges or crime has been filed.<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Huh.<br><br>Saundra nailed it a couple of days ago when she asked, in response to Doug's <br>naming four possible suspects in the alleged vandalism of his property, <br>where his execution of the Biblical standard was. Granted, the "two or <br>three witnesses" is, strictly speaking, to be employed when an accusation is <br>leveled against an elder, but it's a wise principle when engaging with <br>everyone else, too. For one, it's simply reasonable; two, it prevents the <br>bearing of false witness, which a lot of churches take seriously.<br><br>However, no matter how Doug tries to wrestle with Matthew 18, he sinned <br>against Ford, Metzler, Morin and Nolan by naming them as suspects, and he <br>owes
God repentance and them apologies.<br><br>And a note to the good pastor -- no fair "rejoicing because (you) were <br>counted worthy of suffering for the Name of Jesus . . . " None of us is <br>rejoicing because you have caused the Name to suffer, and you aren't being <br>targeted, if you are at all, because of any courageous righteousness on your <br>church's part. I deplore acts of vandalism and harrassment, but I assume no <br>pastors are committing them. I also deplore acts of vindictiveness and <br>haughtiness, and it saddens me to see that you've committed those here.<br><br>keely<br><br><br>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 @hotmail.com=""><br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?<br>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:02:51 -0700<br><br>I hate responding to this, but -<br><br>The fact that Dougie did not report this until AFTER the fact, TWO WEEKS<br>after they supposedly happened, and that he brought NO evidence, NO proof<br>that any of this
ever even happened (this has been explained before) and the<br>fact that he wrote about it on his blog on 27 July as having reported it to<br>the police (when in fact he did NOT) and the very huge fact that NONE of<br>those people have the time, inclination or will to do any of this crap -<br>THAT is how I know it never happened.<br><br>If someone is doing this type of damage, (and that is a HUGE, HUGE IF!!!)<br>you'd think Dougie would at LEAST submit the tires and condom for<br>examination. You'd think he'd have the cops COME OUT TO HIS HOUSE TO SEE<br>things as they were found. But he doesn't because IT NEVER HAPPENED and he<br>has NOTHING to show.<br><br>Questions: How does Dougie know it was a "fowl smelling substance" that was<br>smeared on his living room window? Did he smell it? What do "fowl<br>substances" smell like, anyway?<br><br>What makes you believe Dougie "has all this video recorded"? And IF he did,<br>why is it he has not turned THAT over to the
cops? And WHY in God's name<br>would all four of those people make an allegiance and "attack" Dougie's<br>home? That is just such a stupid supposition and both you and Dougie know<br>it. None of those named would even think of doing this kind of juvenile,<br>petty, and stupid act(s).<br><br>And what is THIS about: "Also, anyone on his property at the time of the<br>crimes can snap a picture<br>on their cell phone and send it to an email account for just 25 cents."?<br>What has that got to do with anything?<br><br>Filing a false police report is illegal - but then, Dougie is very used to<br>doing things irregardless to the law. I just get sick of this town allowing<br>him to get away with it.<br><br>Merde.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><br><br><br> >From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br> >To: "g. crabtree" <jampot @adelphia.net="">, J Ford <privatejf32 @hotmail.com="">,<br> >vision2020@moscow.com<br> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax
cut?<br> >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:28:41 -0700 (PDT)<br> ><br> ><br> >"Dougie, on the other hand, has NO proof, NO evidence, NO witnesses,<br> >NO real reason to have named four 35-50(+) year old people as doing what<br> >amounts to teen-type of pranks in a police report TWO WEEKS after he says<br> >they<br> >occurred and AFTER he says he reported them." --JFord<br> ><br> >J, How do you KNOW this for fact unless you are monitoring his<br> >property 24 hours a day? I think Doug Wilson has all this video recorded.<br> >You can buy a home video recording system now for less than $100.<br> >Also, anyone on his property at the time of the crimes can snap a picture<br> >on their cell phone and send it to an email account for just<br> >25 cents. I think Wilson could afford both.<br> ><br> >I want the people to be caught. Anyone who vandalizes is a menace and a<br> >coward, regardless<br> >of who it is and who they are
doing it to. I hate it when people mess with<br> >my<br> >stuff. If they have an issue with me, take it up with me, not my property.<br> >Vandals<br> >raise our taxes through law enforcement, and our insurance rates.<br> ><br> >Nails in a vehicle tire is also more than a teenage prank. It is very<br> >DANGEROUS and could<br> >seriously injury or kill somebody if a tire blows out on a highway.<br> ><br> >_DJA<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >"g. crabtree" <jampot @adelphia.net=""> wrote: Rather then take any of the<br> >silliness that has been liberally ladled out<br> >here in the past few postings at face value, I hauled my lard out into the<br> >warm summer sunshine and down to the MPD to ask some extremely helpful and<br> >patient people some rather dull questions. Here are some of the results of<br> >my queries.<br> ><br> >First, there are five officers on duty for the day shift and the swing<br>
>shift. There are three officers on duty for the graveyard shift. Due to <br>the<br> >way shifts overlap there is only a four hour block where there is only<br> >three<br> >officers on patrol. (generally the quietest portion of any of the shifts)<br> >The assertion that during the busiest shift there are only two officers<br> >working is hogwash. Period.<br> ><br> >Second, all officers accrue vacation time at the same rate as other city<br> >employees and the staffing is such that the officers who desire to do so,<br> >get to take it. Nobody is not allowed to take their vacation time because<br> >of<br> >short staffing.<br> ><br> >Third, all officers work approximately a 40 hr. week. Guys on the swing <br>and<br> >graveyard shifts do sometimes rack up some overtime due to the nature of<br> >their shift. Also overtime is put in for special events (games, <br>rendezvous,<br> >renaissance fair, etc.) this is widely regarded
as a good thing by the<br> >officers. Time off appears to be the last thing these people want.<br> ><br> >Fourth, response time in Moscow is lightning fast for emergency calls. In <br>a<br> >situation where harm might befall a citizen, the police drop everything <br>and<br> >respond right now. Matters of lesser urgency do take a back seat but I was<br> >assured that all calls are responded to within 30 min. unless other<br> >arrangements are made with the reporting party.<br> ><br> >Fifth, there is no reason that people shouldn't know about what's going on<br> >in there neighborhood. The link that Dan C. provided gives one access to<br> >the<br> >police log and from that it's child's play to know exactly what's up <br>around<br> >your home. No need to wait to hear it third, fourth, or fifth hand.<br> ><br> >Sixth, when extra patrol is requested at any given location it means that<br> >the police will drive by a little more
often then they might have<br> >otherwise.<br> >It does not mean that they will be parked in that persons driveway keeping<br> >their mailbox safe from a spent French letter. Sorry, hansen.<br> ><br> >Finally, the officer that I was speaking with did allow as how having a<br> >couple of extra personnel for the day shift would help to keep the<br> >paperwork<br> >from piling up and create a little less of a burden for the rest of the<br> >guys<br> >but absolutely nothing was mentioned that led me to think that from a<br> >safety<br> >(ours or the officers) point of view, these folks didn't have it <br>completely<br> >under control. Now hows about a little sanity be allowed to enter into <br>this<br> >discussion, allrighty?<br> ><br> >G. Crabtree<br> >----- Original Message -----<br> >From: "J Ford"<br> ><br> >To:<br> >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:35 PM<br> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?<br>
><br> ><br> > > Did you happen to look at those reports or are you just trying to make <br>a<br> > > sick point? Do you happen to know WHO made those calls in that you<br> > > referred<br> > > to? Was it the same person or many people? There are LOT of addresses<br> >on<br> > > that or any street. How about the fact that a LOT of time is being<br> >spent<br> > > by<br> > > the cops on A street, First, Main, Third, Lilly, West Pullman, etc. <br>So,<br> > > what exactly do you think? That everyone that repeatedly calls in for<br> > > those<br> > > above-mentioned streets, are making false police reports? That they <br>are<br> > > abusing the system? Don't think so.<br> > ><br> > > Dougie, on the other hand, has NO proof, NO evidence, NO witnesses, NO<br> > > real<br> > > reason to have named four 35-50(+) year old people as doing what <br>amounts<br> > > to<br>
> > teen-type of pranks in a police report TWO WEEKS after he says they<br> > > occurred<br> > > and AFTER he says he reported them. There are now four citizens who<br> >have<br> > > "police records" because one sick guy decides to play wounded and make<br> > > false<br> > > accusations. THAT is a waste of cop-man-power and an ABUSE of the <br>legal<br> > > system. He has many, many boys that he could enlist the aide of to<br> >watch<br> > > his home....believe me, the neighbors watch it enough and they have NOT<br> > > seen<br> > > any of this kind of stuff happening to him.<br> > ><br> > > And why don't you try talking to the cops. They have two people <br>working<br> > > DAY-TIME hours, during the busiest part of the day and there are times<br> > > when<br> > > that is all they have during the night. Don't know where you live<br> >(don't<br> > > wanna) but there
are sirens going off at all times of the day and night<br> > > and<br> > > the cops are going from one of end town to another all the time; and<br> >they<br> > > are trying to get to all the calls they need to in the time they need<br> >to.<br> > ><br> > > Why is it that some people are so quick to increase the City personnel,<br> > > but<br> > > they leave the cops and fire personnel hanging? Like they aren't<br> > > important<br> > > enough to warrant more trained bodies? But an office needs a <br>secretary?<br> > > Please. Get your own darn coffee. But put more cops on the road,<br> > > increase<br> > > their pay/benefits and allow them the union.<br> > ><br> > > J :]<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > >>From: "Dan Carscallen"<br> > >>To:<br> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?<br> >
>>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:58:27 -0700<br> > >><br> > >>Tom says:<br> > >>". . . two cops on duty at any given time in a town of 20,000 . . . And<br> > >>one of them is now required to use a portion of that valuable time<br> > >>providing security to 1150 North Polk Extension?"<br> > >><br> > >>Just a quick glance at the pole-leece's page<br> > >>(http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/police/) and their daily activity log <br>(check<br> > >>the menu on the left), it looks like the cops are spending a lot of <br>time<br> > >>around the 800 block of North Garfield. Maybe some 'higher-up" in the<br> > >>Kirk lives there too? I would venture to guess that it's all kinds of<br> > >>people "abusing" our police force, CC and non-CC alike.<br> > >><br> > >>And I would also venture to guess that the "two cops on duty" is during<br> > >>the slow
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