Dick,<br> <br> You wrote;<br> <br><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> "My problem with the entire homosexual debate is that those who are willing</span><br style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> participants in homosexual activity are constantly trying to get the rest of</span><br style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> us to accept their sin. Living in sin is one issue, attempting to force it</span><br style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> onto others is quite another. Wouldn't you agree?"</span><br> <br> Is someone forcing you to engage in homosexual relations? If so, then I agree you have a legitimate concern. If not, then nobody is forcing you to do anything.<br> <br> You also wrote:<br> <br><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> "I do not want to see my country legalize any sin, homosexuality included."</span><br> <br> I am puzzled. Are you suggesting
that it be illegal for me not to love my neighbor as myself? For it is a great sin not to. And how exactly would you go about enforcing that I love my neighbor? What about "worshiping false Gods." That is a sin. Oh, and don't forget coveting my neighbor's wife, or his property. How is that going to be outlawed?<br> <br><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> "We may have differing views on being a Christian and the teachings of the</span><br style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> Bible but I invite you to cite one single passage from the Bible, concerning</span><br style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> homosexuality, that you believe does not speak of it as being wrong or a</span><br style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"><span style="color: rgb(191, 0, 95);"> sin."</span><br> <br> I would probably burn any so called bible that mentioned the word homosexuality. The word "homosexuality" was no coined until
nearly nineteen hundreds years after the death of Christ. I would treat that so called bible in the same manner as if it mentioned the words, computer, airplane, hydrogen balloon, car, nuclear missile, and television.<br><br> Best,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br><br><b><i>rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy@clearwire.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Joe,<br><br>To the best of my recollection I can not think of the time I have ridiculed<br>anyone here, or anywhere, "on the basis of their own private sexual<br>activities." I am not saying I didn't, some time in the past but if I did<br>indeed do such a thing, it was wrong and I am sorry.<br><br>On the contrary, I have repeadedly stated my position that homosexual<br>behavior is a Biblical sin, in my opinion. I do not understand how any<br>rational person could intrepret any Biblical cite, covering this
topic,<br>differently. I have also stated, repeatedly, that I do not consider<br>homosexuality to be of any greater magnitude of sin than many others.<br><br>My problem with the entire homosexual debate is that those who are willing<br>participants in homosexual activity are constantly trying to get the rest of<br>us to accept their sin. Living in sin is one issue, attempting to force it<br>onto others is quite another. Wouldn't you agree? I do not want to see my<br>country legalize any sin, homosexuality included. To begin with, legalizing<br>it would not take away the sin, it would only force others to accept it.<br><br>For example, NAMBLA members, not all necessarily homosexuals, have tried<br>numerous times to legislate sexual activity with children as young as eight<br>years old to be legal. I believe this is a sin and I do not want to be<br>forced to accept it as legal anymore than I want to be forced to accept what<br>I consider to be the sin of homosexual
activity as legal.<br><br>We may have differing views on being a Christian and the teachings of the<br>Bible but I invite you to cite one single passage from the Bible, concerning<br>homosexuality, that you believe does not speak of it as being wrong or a<br>sin.<br><br>I believe, upon the return of Jesus Christ, He will judge all nations on the<br>basis of how they have accepted sin as legal and normal, among other things.<br>I also believe He will judge those of us who stood by, saying nothing, and<br>allowed such sin to be legalized the same as those who had a direct hand in<br>the act.<br><br>I realize many here do not believe in God, or that Jesus will ever return<br>and that is one thing. That is their perogative and it is not my place to<br>condem or speak ill of them because of it. But for those who claim to be<br>Christians and believe in these things to advocate for the legalization and<br>acceptance of any Biblical sin is quite another issue. It appears to
be<br>quite hypocritical to me but, hen again, I am not a Biblical scholar so<br>perhaps you can quote that cite from the Bible to me that gives the act of<br>homosexuality the green light.<br><br>Also Joe, please bear in mind that I am not trying to tell anyone how to<br>live their own life. I am merely stating my own opinon on the subject and I<br>am perfectly willing to debate it without casting judgment and without<br>questioning anyone's understanding of their own faith or the Bible. I may<br>not agree with them but I also do not belive they have to think the same as<br>I in order to be in the good grace of the Lord.<br><br>Anxiously awaiting your reply.<br><br>Dick S.<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc @adelphia.net=""><br>To: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy @clearwire.net=""><br>Cc: "Vision2020" <vision2020 @moscow.com="">; "Scott Dredge" <sdredge @yahoo.com=""><br>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 6:52 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Great
Debate<br><br><br>> Dick writes: "The question being: Is homosexuality a Biblical sin? I<br>believe it is. As I stated in my post; I don't see how any rational person<br>could reach any other conclusion from reading any translation of the Bible.<br>I also stated that I am no Biblical scholar, so I could be mistaken."<br>><br>> Is this the time for me to say that I don't see how any rational person<br>could both call himself a Christian and spend time ridiculing people on the<br>basis of their own private sexual activities?<br>><br>> Clearly we have different ideas about Christianity and the Bible's<br>teachings.<br>><br>> --<br>> Joe Campbell<br>><br>> ---- rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy @clearwire.net=""> wrote:<br>><br>> =============<br>> Scott,<br>><br>> I respectfully disagree with you that there are no victims where<br>homosexuality is concerned. That is a topic we can cover at another time if<br>you like. Let's just say, for
now, that it is not always between consenting<br>adults and there are other ramifications stemming from it. Perhaps some of<br>my feelings will be revealed to you when I finally get my answer to the Chas<br>letter written.<br>><br>> That having been said, the topic was not originally just about<br>homosexuality but about sin in general, at least that was my take on it.<br>The question being: Is homosexuality a Biblical sin?<br>><br>> I believe it is. As I stated in my post; I don't see how any rational<br>person could reach any other conclusion from reading any translation of the<br>Bible. I also stated that I am no Biblical scholar, so I could be mistaken.<br>><br>> When I spoke of adultry, rape, stealing, etc., I was merely making a point<br>that these are also sins and that homosexuality should not be made a greater<br>sin than any of them. I will also speak my opinion more succinctly about<br>these matters in my answer to Chas.<br>><br>> I
suppose my answer to you, in a nutshell, would be that my opinion about<br>what is and is not sin does not carry much weight. The question before us<br>is whether the Bible (thus God) considers these things sins. I believe it<br>(He) does.<br>><br>> I hope this clarifies my original post for you.<br>><br>> Peace,<br>><br>> Dick S.<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: Scott Dredge<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:30 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Great Debate<br>><br>><br>> rvcowboy,<br>><br>> There are clearly victims involved in situations of adultery, rape,<br>cheating, and stealing. Not so with homosexuality. Are you really unable<br>to see the difference between consenual adult activity and scenarios of<br>someone viciously hurting someone else?<br>><br>> -Scott<br>><br>><br>><br>> "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy @clearwire.net="">
wrote:<br>> -----------------------------------------------<br>> -- SNIP --<br>> I agree with you that Jesus' overwhelming<br>> message is that we love one another. I just don't believe that loving<br>one another justifies our<br>> sins. Please understand, I don't rate the sin of homosexuality any<br>differently than adultrey,<br>> rape, cheating, stealing, or any other sin.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>----<br>><br>><br>> =====================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> ====================================================<br>><br><br>=====================================================<br>
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