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From: <I>"Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com></I><BR>To: <I>"Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700</I><BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Ellen,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Here's the curious thing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>What does it matter when it was written? Has Wilson's alleged God or Wilson (remember we may be referring to the same thing here with both titles) changed over the last 15 years?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I thought that Wilson and/or his god was immutable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>What is interesting is that the Cultmaster is unwilling to give a straight, unambiguous response as to whether he/she thinks the article is true and/or represents cult dogma. Is his favorite color yellow?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Below are some extracts from the article at issue and some comments on the Cultmaster's immutability.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>From <I>Credenda/Agenda</I> (Christ Church Cult Official Organ), by Gregory Dickison [Comments added]:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><A href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"The<B> civil magistrate</B> is the minister of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include <B>premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's parents</B>..."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is punishable by death, with the occasional exception of murder. The magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that the "harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the result of the <B>mistaken belief</B> that the Old Testament has no further application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. <B>This sin is called pity.</B>"</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I><FONT size=3>"If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; </FONT></I><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red">but you shall surely kill him</SPAN></I></B><FONT size=3><I>..."</I> [Comment:<SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue">Heresy</SPAN></B><FONT size=3>: Beware, ye not of the cult!]</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><I><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her..." </FONT></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>God commands the judge to evaluate the <I>crime</I> rather than the criminal. </FONT><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red">If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death <I><U>must </U></I>be the punishment.</SPAN></B><FONT size=3> Your eye <I>shall not pity</I>. <B>Neither is the repentance of the accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.</B> </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not man's... This means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the bounds which God has established for us."</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">a middle ground?" <SPAN> </SPAN>Wilson was quoted as saying:</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"I've never been in anything like this, and I've never changed my views on anything."</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">What he actually said was:</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"I've never been in anything like this, </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">and I've never changed.<SPAN> </SPAN>I've never changed what I do, </SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[sic]</SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> I've not changed anything.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=5>When anyone says:</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3>"I've never changed.<SPAN> </SPAN>I've never changed what I do, [sic] I've not changed anything."</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"I have never made a mistake!!!"</SPAN></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">For those Christians who believe that in some unfathomable, non-linguistically-intelligible/expressible way their alleged God, alleged Holy Ghost, and Jesus are one and the same, the only being who could assert that she/he/it has never made a mistake is an incarnations of </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">GOD HIMSELF</SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">.</SPAN></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hence, the above quote from Cult Master Wilson is equivalent to saying:</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"I am God!!!"</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[Can you say "Are we dealing with severe mental health problems here?"?]</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">However, in the delusional Wilson's defense, one could say he does resemble in one very pivotal way a certain Greek God:<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Narcissus*</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B><SPAN style="COLOR: black">*Narcissus</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> is remembered for having fallen in love with himself.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=gussie443@hotmail.com href="mailto:gussie443@hotmail.com">Ellen Roskovich</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deaconblues42@gmail.com href="mailto:deaconblues42@gmail.com">deaconblues42@gmail.com</A> ; <A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion</DIV></DIV>
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<P><STRONG>I know I was very surprised last night when I heard Doug Wilson tell the audience that the Dickison article was from 15 years ago. I really thought it was more recent. </STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>So, was the article WRITTEN 15 years ago and only published more recently when they were looking for stuff to fill a few pages?</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Also, on the Credenda Agenda website there's only 45 publications listed between Vol. 3, no. 9 (the one in question) and the current Vol.12, No. 1. So, Deacon, I don't know if your equation is going to work. That means there would be around 3 actual magazines printed per year. . . is that right?</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>As you can see, I'm pretty confussed by the whole thing. . . and Tom is going to make us all wait until TOMORROW to give us the answer. . . . Darn.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen A. Roskovich</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>P.S. Can't forget the new tradition. . . a sports update! Barbaro underwent surgery and his condition is serious.</STRONG><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Deacon James" <deaconblues42@gmail.com></I><BR>To: <I>"Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com></I><BR>CC: <I>Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020@moscow.com></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:36 -0700</I><BR>
<DIV></DIV><BR>Well, I don't know if I have "direct links" to Anselm House, so I thought I'd give it a try.<BR><BR>According the article on your site, it is from volume 3, number 9. The current Credenda is volume 18, number 2. So, considering that volumes are incremented annually, I would guess that it was published roughly 15 (18 minus 3) years ago.
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>Do I win??? If so, let me know where I can pick up my CD.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Deacon<BR><BR>P.S. The American League owns the National League.<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 7/12/06, <B class=gmail_sendername></DIV>Tom Hansen</B> <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV></DIV>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Joan Opyr<BR>
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<DIV></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Vision2020 Moscow<BR>
<DIV></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] The Keely
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am listening to the fascinating discussion between Keely and Doug on
<DIV></DIV>KRFP, so I'll make this brief. Keely made reference to an article Christ Church
<DIV></DIV>attorney and former public defender Greg Dickison wrote for Credenda Agenda
<DIV></DIV>called "Your Eye Shall Not Pity." This article came up in reference
<DIV></DIV>to a call from Lois Blackburn asking if Doug still believed in offering
<DIV></DIV>homosexuals the "option" of being stoned to death or exile. Keely
<DIV></DIV>referred to the article, noting that it had been written said in 2003. In
<DIV></DIV>response, Doug said that it was written some 15 years ago. (What Doug didn't do
<DIV></DIV>was actually answer Lois' question.) <BR>
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<DIV></DIV>Anyhow, I now have satellite, so I thought I'd do a quick search of the
<DIV></DIV>Credenda Agenda archives. Greg's article appeared in Volume 3. Unfortunately,
<DIV></DIV>Credenda online seems to have been updated and copyrighted in 2005, or so says
<DIV></DIV>the note at the bottom of the screen. The magazine now skips from Volume 2 to
<DIV></DIV>Volume 7. Volumes 3, 4, 5, and 6 are missing. <BR>
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<DIV></DIV>Good thing we have Tom Hansen's website, <A href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/">www.tomandrodna.com</A>! Greg's article,
<DIV></DIV>"Your Eye Shall Not Pity," may be read there in its entirety,
<DIV></DIV>unedited and unexpurgated. Perhaps after the show, Doug might pay Tom's website
<DIV></DIV>a visit and re-read Greg's piece. Keely asked Doug if he was now distancing
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<P><STRONG>I know I was very surprised last night when I heard Doug Wilson tell the audience that the Dickison article was from 15 years ago. I really thought it was more recent. </STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>So, was the article WRITTEN 15 years ago and only published more recently when they were looking for stuff to fill a few pages?</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Also, on the Credenda Agenda website there's only 45 publications listed between Vol. 3, no. 9 (the one in question) and the current Vol.12, No. 1. So, Deacon, I don't know if your equation is going to work. That means there would be around 3 actual magazines printed per year. . . is that right?</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>As you can see, I'm pretty confussed by the whole thing. . . and Tom is going to make us all wait until TOMORROW to give us the answer. . . . Darn.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen A. Roskovich</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>P.S. Can't forget the new tradition. . . a sports update! Barbaro underwent surgery and his condition is serious.</STRONG><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Deacon James" <deaconblues42@gmail.com></I><BR>To: <I>"Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com></I><BR>CC: <I>Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020@moscow.com></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:36 -0700</I><BR>
<DIV></DIV><BR>Well, I don't know if I have "direct links" to Anselm House, so I thought I'd give it a try.<BR><BR>According the article on your site, it is from volume 3, number 9. The current Credenda is volume 18, number 2. So, considering that volumes are incremented annually, I would guess that it was published roughly 15 (18 minus 3) years ago.
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>Do I win??? If so, let me know where I can pick up my CD.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Deacon<BR><BR>P.S. The American League owns the National League.<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 7/12/06, <B class=gmail_sendername></DIV>Tom Hansen</B> <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV></DIV>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Joan Opyr<BR>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am listening to the fascinating discussion between Keely and Doug on
<DIV></DIV>KRFP, so I'll make this brief. Keely made reference to an article Christ Church
<DIV></DIV>attorney and former public defender Greg Dickison wrote for Credenda Agenda
<DIV></DIV>called "Your Eye Shall Not Pity." This article came up in reference
<DIV></DIV>to a call from Lois Blackburn asking if Doug still believed in offering
<DIV></DIV>homosexuals the "option" of being stoned to death or exile. Keely
<DIV></DIV>referred to the article, noting that it had been written said in 2003. In
<DIV></DIV>response, Doug said that it was written some 15 years ago. (What Doug didn't do
<DIV></DIV>was actually answer Lois' question.) <BR>
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<DIV></DIV>Anyhow, I now have satellite, so I thought I'd do a quick search of the
<DIV></DIV>Credenda Agenda archives. Greg's article appeared in Volume 3. Unfortunately,
<DIV></DIV>Credenda online seems to have been updated and copyrighted in 2005, or so says
<DIV></DIV>the note at the bottom of the screen. The magazine now skips from Volume 2 to
<DIV></DIV>Volume 7. Volumes 3, 4, 5, and 6 are missing. <BR>
<DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV></DIV>Good thing we have Tom Hansen's website, <A href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/">www.tomandrodna.com</A>! Greg's article,
<DIV></DIV>"Your Eye Shall Not Pity," may be read there in its entirety,
<DIV></DIV>unedited and unexpurgated. Perhaps after the show, Doug might pay Tom's website
<DIV></DIV>a visit and re-read Greg's piece. Keely asked Doug if he was now distancing
<DIV></DIV>himself from Greg's piece and Credenda's published position on homosexuality.
<DIV></DIV>Doug has yet to give a direct answer.<BR>
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<DIV></DIV>But I'm waiting. And waiting, and waiting . . .<BR>
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