Councilman Dickinson,<br> <br>As always, thanks for your reply. I have to disagree with your comparison of the first two ordinances to the third ordinance you referenced.<br> <br> Title 10 Sec. 1-11 is designed to give police the authority to remove children from danger. Children do not always understand the difference between playing in the street in front of their house on a dead end street like Cleveland and that of playing on a busy section of 3rd off of East City Park. A police officer has to be able to make that judgment and enforce it for the safety of the children. I don't think it was intended to harass children playing catch as you are implying. <br> <br> Title 10 Sec. 1-3. Is a state law also. So its removal does not impact the legal status of the law because state law supersedes city law. <br> <br> Title 10 Sec. 1-16 is a new law passed with the intention of being the law of the city. It has a purpose, is enforceable, and is not superseded,
nullified, altered, or reinforced by a state or federal law. Most laws on the books today that are not enforced are not enforced because a higher law nullifies them, are no longer applicable due to changing times, or are simply not enforceable. None of those are true for this law. I think it is a danger to pass a new law and state publicly that the police ought not to intentionally enforce a new law passed by an elected government which it can enforce. <br> <br> Best Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>John Dickinson <johnd@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape
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margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Hi-<br> <br> While I would certainly not attempt to speak for the entire City Council, I can tell you that Moscow does have a few laws that are either silly, not enforced, unenforceable, or all of the above. Here is my little list:<br> <br> TITLE 10 </span></font><b><font face="Times-Bold" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Bold; font-weight: bold;">Sec. 1-11. Playing in Streets Prohibited.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">It shall be unlawful for any person to play ball, catch, or other game, or throw any ball or
other object to and fro upon any public thoroughfare in the City.</span></font><font face="Times-Bold" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Times-Bold;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><br> TITLE 10 </span></font><b><font face="Times-Bold" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Bold; font-weight: bold;">Sec. 1-3. Expectorating on Sidewalk or in Public Buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">A. It shall be unlawful for any person to expectorate or spit upon any of the sidewalks or upon any theater, public building, church or room used for public assemblies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">B. Any person violating the provisions of this Section shall be deemed guilty of an infraction and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished pursuant to this Code and the <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Idaho</st1:place></st1:State> code unless otherwise specifically provided for in this Chapter.</span></font><font face="Times-Bold" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Times-Bold;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><br> TITLE 10 </span></font><b><font face="Times-Bold" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Bold; font-weight: bold;">Sec. 1-16. Public Nudity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">A.
Definitions:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 9pt;"><i><font face="Times-Italic" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Italic; font-style: italic;">1. Pubescent or post pubescent female breast</span></font></i><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">. This shall include the entire breast once a female begins puberty and continuing throughout her adult life, but shall not include any portion of breast cleavage.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 9pt;"><i><font face="Times-Italic" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Italic; font-style: italic;">2. Breast cleavage</span></font></i><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">. The middle depression or furrow between pubescent or postpubescent female breasts. The nipple, the entire areola, and the
area contiguous to the areola including the cleft between the breast and the body below the areola which extends upward toward the arm or underarm is not considered cleavage.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 9pt;"><i><font face="Times-Italic" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Italic; font-style: italic;">3. Opaque</span></font></i><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">. Material which is not transparent or translucent. Body paint, body dyes, tattoos, liquid latex whether wet or dried, and similar substances shall not be considered opaque covering.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">B. No person shall willfully expose to view or fail to cover completely and opaquely any portion of such person's anus, cleft of the buttocks,
genitals, and the pubescent or postpubescent female breast on or in any public place or place open to public view.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">C. Exposure of any portion of a female's breast while she is in the act of breastfeeding a baby is not a violation of this Section.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">D. </span></font><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Times-Roman;">This Section shall not apply to a person who is prepubescent.</span></font><font face="Times-Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Times-Roman;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">There was a time when I thought it would be worth the time to remove these ordinances, I now find that there are too many other important activities of the City Council. So until kids playing ball in the street are rounded up or somebody gets arrested for spitting or girls are picked up at the swimming pool, I think that unenforced laws don’t bother anyone.<br> <br> John<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%">
</span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Donovan Arnold<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 04, 2006 7:10 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom Hansen; 'Saundra Lund'; 'g. crabtree'; vision2020@moscow.com<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless" Ordinance</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Obviously, the current City Council agrees with the topless ordinance since it has not reversed or changed it.<br> <br> _DJA<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> =====================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>====================================================<br></blockquote><br><p> 
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