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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS with anybody
practicing any religion they believe in.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is the concept that everybody else must
change their rules to satisfy the wants and desires of any specific church,
less they be accused of religious persecution, that chaps my hide.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Certainly people can understand that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ellen Roskovich<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 05, 2006
10:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rvrcowboy@clearwire.net;
vision2020@moscow.com; deco@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] A New
Witch Hunt</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><strong><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What
I personally am "embracing" is a persons right to practice the
religion of their choice (or no religion) in peace within our community.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>And,
NO, I do not like Bush.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><strong><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ellen A. Roskovich</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>From: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>"rvrcowboy"
<rvrcowboy@clearwire.net></span></i><br>
To: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>"Vision2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com>, "Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com></span></i><br>
Subject: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Re: [Vision2020] A New
Witch Hunt</span></i><br>
Date: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:39:21
-0700</span></i><br>
>It is so amusing to see how so many of the libs here in the venom are<br>
>embracing Wicca while admitting they know little, or nothing, about
it. It<br>
>is always the same with you people: Any President but Bush and
any religion<br>
>but Christianity.<br>
><br>
>You are so very translucent.<br>
><br>
>Dick S.<br>
>----- Original Message -----<br>
>From: "Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com><br>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:40 AM<br>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A New Witch Hunt<br>
><br>
><br>
> > Debi writes:<br>
> ><br>
> > "Wicca does not have a Central Authority, it does not have
Pastors,<br>
> > Preachers, or Popes. It doesn't seek converts, doesn't
proselytize,<br>
>doesn't<br>
> > reject other religions as non-valid."<br>
> ><br>
> > Holy Jesus! Are you daring to say that a person can be
religious,<br>
> > spiritual, kind, loving, concerned about humankind/animalkind etc
without<br>
>an<br>
> > organized church to provide detailed instruction and to suck away
their<br>
> > money?<br>
> ><br>
> > I am sorry but your egregiously perverted view has now placed you
among<br>
> > other major perverts of the past: Buddha, Confucius,
Christ, Plato,<br>
> > Aristotle, Bertrand Russell, Jean Paul Sartre, etc.<br>
> ><br>
> > Why, if what you say has any truth at all, then a whole lot of<br>
>egomaniacal,<br>
> > megalomaniacal, and/or just uncritically dumb parasites would be
instantly<br>
> > unemployed.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>
> > deco@moscow.com<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: <debismith@moscow.com><br>
> > To: <vision2020@moscow.com><br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:17 PM<br>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A New Witch Hunt<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > Thanks for posting this, Tom. Also to all of you who have taken
enough<br>
> > > interest in Wicca to do<br>
> > > a bit of research.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > While approximately 1,900 in the military are *out of the broom<br>
> > > closet*, many more do not identify themselves as Wiccan simply
to<br>
>protect<br>
> > > themselves.Unless<br>
> > > a base has a fairly large contingent of Wiccans (as did <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Fort</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Hood</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>),
it<br>
>can<br>
> > > be dangerous to let<br>
> > > others know this religion is the one practiced.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Wicca does not have a Central Authority, it does not have
Pastors,<br>
> > > Preachers, or Popes. It<br>
> > > doesn't seek converts, doesn't proseletize, doesn't reject other<br>
>religions<br>
> > > as nonvalid. What<br>
> > > it has is a belief that Diety is imminent, not transcendent, and
a focus<br>
> > > on care for the Earth<br>
> > > and all that inhabits Her. It has one basic tenet: And It Harm
None.<br>
>This<br>
> > > means anything one<br>
> > > puts out into the Universe will return thrice-fold. If it is
good deeds,<br>
> > > there is a return. If, as in my<br>
> > > case, it is snarky e-mails to those I feel it necessary to
confront, I<br>
>get<br>
> > > three equally snotty e-<br>
> > > mails back. I'm sometimes willing to take the *karmic hit* and
just push<br>
> > > *send*, knowing full<br>
> > > well Dick, Lame-o Doug, Donovan, or one of the over-aged
juvenile<br>
>Kirkers<br>
> > > will attempt to insult<br>
> > > me or even start cyber-stalking again.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am open about my spiritual beliefs. I am open about my
political<br>
>agenda.<br>
> > > I am open about<br>
> > > just about everything, because when one attempts secrecy it
leaves one<br>
> > > open to blackmail.<br>
> > > One of the v2020 posters, in the not so distant past, attempted
to *out*<br>
> > > me (I was already out,<br>
> > > so BFD), attempted to *report* me to a higher authority (there
isn't<br>
>one,<br>
> > > so he just annoyed<br>
> > > people who didn't care), and attempted to *shame* me for my
out-spoken<br>
> > > behavior (I save<br>
> > > feeling ashamed for when I have inadvertantly caused someone
pain--I'm<br>
>not<br>
> > > ever ashamed of<br>
> > > calling it like I see it).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It breaks my heart when I hear that others who share my
religious<br>
>beliefs<br>
> > > are disrespected in<br>
> > > the<br>
> > > way Patrick Stewart and his family have been disrespected. While
I may<br>
>not<br>
> > > agree with the<br>
> > > religious perspectives of some others, their right to belief is
never in<br>
> > > question. Somehow,<br>
> > > Wicca is different than all other faiths?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It is particularly poignant that Wiccan beliefs are
likely the most<br>
> > > inoffensive of just about any<br>
> > > religion, yet, through misunderstanding and prejudice, many
people still<br>
> > > think Wicca is devil<br>
> > > worship or casting evil spells. These ideas don't have any
application<br>
>to<br>
> > > Wicca. We don't even<br>
> > > believe in *the Devil*, and (remember Harm None?) just don't do<br>
> > > imprecatory prayers or evil<br>
> > > spells. We spend our time recycling, growing organic
food, taking care<br>
>of<br>
> > > others, sharing what<br>
> > > we have with those who have less, volunteering in our community,
being<br>
> > > involved in politics,<br>
> > > and paying attention to the changing seasons (both real and<br>
> > > metaphorically).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am hopeful that the VA will get some sense, stop listening to
those<br>
>who<br>
> > > act out of prejudice<br>
> > > rather than information, and allow Roberta Stewart to honor her
husband<br>
> > > with the symbol of his<br>
> > > faith. Blessed Be, Roberta.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Debi Robinson-Smith</st1:PersonName><br>
> > ><br>
> > > "Never retract, never explain, never apologize, just get
the job done<br>
>and<br>
> > > let them howl."<br>
> > > -------Iron Jawed Angels<br>
> > > (Thanks to Lois Blackburn, a true Iron Jawed Angel!)<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From:
"Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><br>
> > >
To:
"<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Joan Opyr</st1:PersonName>"
<joanopyr@moscow.com>,<br>
> > > "'Moscow Vision
2020'" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>
> > > Date sent: Mon, 3 Jul 2006
16:37:17 -0700<br>
> > > Copies to:<br>
> > >
Subject: [Vision2020] A New
Witch Hunt<br>
> > ><br>
> > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ]<br>
> > ><br>
> > > An editorial from the July 10, 2006 edition of the Army Times -<br>
> > ><br>
> > > For you Wiccans out there. You know who you are.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > ><br>
> > > A New Witch Hunt<br>
> > > Search for recognition falls victim to misconceptions about
Wicca<br>
> > ><br>
> > > By Charles C. Haynes<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The current flap involving Wiccans in the military is a conflict
that<br>
> > > should<br>
> > > never have happened. But years of foot-dragging by the
Department of<br>
> > > Veterans Affairs have turned an easy case into a major
controversy<br>
> > > complete<br>
> > > with charges of discrimination and threats of lawsuits.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > All VA needs to do is announce that the pentacle - a
five-pointed star<br>
> > > that<br>
> > > symbolizes the Wiccan faith - has been added to the list of 38
"emblems<br>
>of<br>
> > > belief" approved for placement on government headstones and
memorials.<br>
>No<br>
> > > big deal, end of story.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Instead, VA keeps saying that it is "reviewing the
process" - and will<br>
> > > make<br>
> > > a decision at some indeterminate time in the future.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Roberta Stewart has been hearing this bureaucratic mumbo jumbo
for the<br>
> > > past<br>
> > > eight months. She just wants to honor her husband, Patrick, a
soldier in<br>
> > > the<br>
> > > Nevada National Guard killed in combat last September in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<br>
>Sgt.<br>
> > > Stewart, who was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star and Purple
Heart,<br>
> > > among other honors, was a Wiccan.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > But Stewart's request to have a pentacle engraved on her
husband's<br>
> > > memorial<br>
> > > plaque has been repeatedly denied pending review of the VA
policy. His<br>
> > > space<br>
> > > on the Northern Nevada Veterans Memorial wall remains blank.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Eventually, VA will have no choice but to allow the pentacle. <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nevada</st1:place></st1:State><br>
> > > politicians from both parties, as well as advocacy groups from
the left<br>
> > > and<br>
> > > right, are demanding the change.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Then there is the small matter of the First Amendment: It's
clearly<br>
> > > unconstitutional for the government to deny the Wiccan symbol
while<br>
> > > permitting symbols of many other religions.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > If approval of the pentacle is inevitable, why is VA taking so
long to<br>
> > > make<br>
> > > a decision?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > For Roberta Stewart, it has been a long and frustrating eight
months.<br>
>But<br>
> > > other Wiccans have been pushing for VA recognition of the
pentacle for<br>
> > > more<br>
> > > than nine years. (According to the Defense Department, some
1,900<br>
> > > active-duty service members identify themselves as Wiccans.)<br>
> > ><br>
> > > At first blush, the years of VA stonewalling doesn't make sense.
A<br>
>glance<br>
> > > at<br>
> > > the 38 approved emblems suggests that any religion can make the
list. In<br>
> > > addition to all of the world's major faiths, a number of obscure
sects<br>
>are<br>
> > > represented, such as Eckankar, a New Age group that espouses
out-of-body<br>
> > > travel. Atheists have a symbol, too. If VA is applying some kind
of<br>
> > > religious test to keep out the Wiccans, it's hard to fathom what
it<br>
>might<br>
> > > be.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Before last fall, VA blamed the rules. Applicants had to provide<br>
> > > documentation from a central authority certifying a symbol as<br>
> > > representative<br>
> > > of that religion. Because Wiccans have no recognized head or
hierarchy,<br>
> > > their applications were rejected. Rules are rules.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Bipartisan outrage over Sgt. Stewart's case inspired a new set
of rules.<br>
> > > Now, applicants are required to provide historic background and<br>
> > > documentation of use to get a symbol approved. Roberta Stewart
has<br>
>filled<br>
> > > out all of the forms. But she's still waiting.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So what's the problem? VA isn't talking. But the delay may have
to do<br>
>with<br>
> > > the fact that Roberta Stewart went public. Putting atheists on
the list<br>
> > > when<br>
> > > no one is paying attention is one thing, but announcing
recognition of<br>
>the<br>
> > > Wiccan pentacle in the glare of the media spotlight is another.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Few people have even heard of Eckankar, but almost everyone has
an<br>
>opinion<br>
> > > about Wiccans. Unfortunately, most of what people think they
know about<br>
> > > Wicca is false. Wicca is a nature-based religion centered on a
belief<br>
>that<br>
> > > the divine permeates all life. Wiccans have nothing to do with
black<br>
>magic<br>
> > > or satanic worship, but try explaining that to a misinformed
public.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > VA is probably remembering the last time Wiccans in the military
made<br>
> > > headlines. About six years ago, news reports of Wiccan
ceremonies at<br>
>Fort<br>
> > > Hood, <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State>,
and other bases provoked some conservative Christian groups<br>
> > > to<br>
> > > call on Christians not to enlist or re-enlist in the Army.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Under the First Amendment, the Army had no choice then, just as
VA has<br>
>no<br>
> > > choice now, but to accommodate Wiccans in the same way it
accommodates<br>
> > > other<br>
> > > religious groups. But any "acceptance" of witches -
who have long been<br>
> > > demonized in Christian history - is certain to stir up trouble
for the<br>
> > > military.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It's also possible that VA lawyers are beginning to realize that
any<br>
> > > guidelines for government-sanctioned "emblems of
belief," however<br>
> > > carefully<br>
> > > crafted, are unworkable. In a nation where people are free to
choose in<br>
> > > matters of faith, the government should stop trying to figure
out which<br>
> > > symbols are "acceptable" and instead allow each family
to choose<br>
>whatever<br>
> > > symbol best represents their convictions.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In other words, cut through all of the bureaucratic red tape and<br>
>jettison<br>
> > > the "emblems of belief" list entirely.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Meanwhile, however, VA should act immediately to honor Roberta
Stewart's<br>
> > > request and fill in the blank space reserved for Sgt. Stewart.
After<br>
>all,<br>
> > > if<br>
> > > we can't live up to religious freedom at home, we have no
business<br>
>asking<br>
> > > soldiers to die for religious freedom abroad.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > ><br>
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