Obviously, the current City Council agrees with the topless ordinance since it has not reversed or changed it.<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> I agree, Saundra -<br><br>The city council, headed by Mayor Comstock, rushed a city ordinance into<br>effect WITHOUT ANY public discussion.<br><br>This is not to say that I support topless carwashes. I simply failed to see<br>the necessity for such an ordinance.<br><br>If Mayor Comstock and his city council supported such an action, in lieu of<br>any public discussion, this begs the question: What else transpired behind<br>Mayor Comstock's closed doors. Or was this merely a local congregation<br>flexing its political muscle?<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho <br><br>"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3<br>sex offender."<br><br>-
Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>On Behalf Of Saundra Lund<br>Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:27 AM<br>To: 'g. crabtree'; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless"<br>Ordinance<br><br>Hi Mr. Crabtree,<br><br>I'm rather pressed for time right now and hope to have time later to respond<br>to your post, but for now, can you please clarify the following statement<br>for me?<br><br>You wrote:<br>". . . A decency ordinance is passed, with the support of several local<br>congregations . . . "<br><br>What "several local congregations" are you talking about? I can recall only<br>*one* local pastor (that would be Doug Wilson) who spoke for his<br>congregation and one other pastor or perhaps minister who spoke for himself<br>and not for his congregation.<br><br>However, my memory surely isn't perfect, so
I'd appreciate it if you could<br>provide evidence in support of your statement.<br><br><br>Thanks,<br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow, ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>nothing.<br>- Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>without the express written permission of the author.*****<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot@adelphia.net] <br>Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:55 PM<br>To: Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless"<br>Ordinance<br><br>Mrs. Lund, why is that when the CC critics and their various "progressive" <br>buddies along with their hand picked (and paid for) city council people<br>attempt to impose their will on a collective Moscow, in the form of NSA/CC<br>harassment, unionization of city
employees or anti-growth measures, it's<br>democracy at work but when A decency ordinance is passed, with the support<br>of several local congregations and five non CC council members, an ordinance<br>that is similar to many others across the nation, it's "ridiculous and<br>reactionary," and a case of ramming through bad law and using undo pressure<br>as well as contributory to making Moscow a laughing stock? And all because<br>of Doug Wilson? I seem to sense a serious double standard at work here. <br>Again.<br><br>I also really don't recall there being a feeling of desperation in the air<br>when Ord. 2002-13 was enacted and am certain that a lynch mob mentality was<br>not at work. To refer to goings on surrounding the enactment of the topless<br>ordinance as a sacrificial crisis is to grossly overstate matters in an<br>attempt to make a tenuous, to the point of nonexistent argument. If the<br>majority of Moscow truly feels that they were "steamrolled," it should
be<br>fairly easy to have this odious piece of law making repealed. Perhaps you'll<br>have citizen/councilman Ament bring this urgent matter up at the next<br>council meeting? Maybe Mr. Stout would like to champion this important cause<br>for you? Remember what happens if good people do nothing.<br><br>gc<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund @adelphia.net=""><br>To: <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:42 AM<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless" Ordinance<br><br><br>> Visionaries:<br>><br>> I got an email today from a friend who worked with the group which tried <br>> to<br>> overturn Moscow's ridiculous and reactionary topless ordinance that was<br>> rammed through due to pressure from the Christ Church "PAC."<br>><br>> My friend sent me a link to an entry on Doug Wilson's blog and thought it<br>> did an excellent job of explaining the Christ Church's role in
that mess<br>> that steamrolled over the beliefs of the majority of our community:<br>><br>> "Those who stir up strife in towns, churches, cities, or nations are <br>> trying<br>> to create a situation when everyone will get to a point of desperation, <br>> and<br>> then try to resolve the problem with some kind of dramatic action. That<br>> dramatic action is sudden, forceful, fascinating, and its effects are very<br>> potent . . . and temporary.<br>><br>> This is why mobs function the way they do. This is how lynching occurs. .<br>> .But it is a pseudo-salvation. It is a lie. When this kind of person<br>> succeeds in stirring up a sacrificial crisis, he gets the mob, or the <br>> crowd,<br>> or the presbytery, or the congregation, as the case may be, whipped up <br>> into<br>> a sacrificial crisis and ready for a dramatic solution to all the trouble.<br><br>> "<br>>
http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2510<br>><br>> Indeed.<br>><br>> A law was passed that AFAIK to this day has *never* been enforced. <br>> However,<br>> it did manage to make Moscow, Idaho a national laughing stock :-(<br>><br>> I have to agree with my friend . . . and I also have to wonder why Wilson<br>> doesn't see himself in his own words :-(<br>><br>><br>> Saundra Lund<br>> Moscow, ID<br>><br>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>> nothing.<br>> - Edmund Burke<br>><br>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>> without the express written permission of the author.*****<br>><br>><br>> =====================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step
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