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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No, Arnold –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is not that our current city council
agrees with the topless ordinance. They simply realize that it would be a
waste of the city council’s time and efforts to go through the entire
process merely to have it removed. That is the same reason why there are some peculiar
laws still on the books in various jurisdictions of our country.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Moscow</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death
doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”<br>
<br>
- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Donovan Arnold
[mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 04, 2006 7:10
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tom Hansen; 'Saundra Lund';
'g. crabtree'; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> Ordinance 2002-13
aka The "Topless" Ordinance</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Obviously, the current City Council agrees with the topless ordinance
since it has not reversed or changed it.<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Tom Hansen
<thansen@moscow.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree, Saundra -<br>
<br>
The city council, headed by Mayor Comstock, rushed a city ordinance into<br>
effect WITHOUT ANY public discussion.<br>
<br>
This is not to say that I support topless carwashes. I simply failed to see<br>
the necessity for such an ordinance.<br>
<br>
If Mayor Comstock and his city council supported such an action, in lieu of<br>
any public discussion, this begs the question: What else transpired behind<br>
Mayor Comstock's closed doors. Or was this merely a local congregation<br>
flexing its political muscle?<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place>
<br>
<br>
"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a
Level-3<br>
sex offender."<br>
<br>
- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>
On Behalf Of Saundra Lund<br>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:27 AM<br>
To: 'g. crabtree'; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless"<br>
Ordinance<br>
<br>
Hi Mr. Crabtree,<br>
<br>
I'm rather pressed for time right now and hope to have time later to respond<br>
to your post, but for now, can you please clarify the following statement<br>
for me?<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
". . . A decency ordinance is passed, with the support of several local<br>
congregations . . . "<br>
<br>
What "several local congregations" are you talking about? I can
recall only<br>
*one* local pastor (that would be Doug Wilson) who spoke for his<br>
congregation and one other pastor or perhaps minister who spoke for himself<br>
and not for his congregation.<br>
<br>
However, my memory surely isn't perfect, so I'd appreciate it if you could<br>
provide evidence in support of your statement.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Saundra Lund<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">ID</st1:State></st1:place><br>
<br>
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>
nothing.<br>
- Edmund Burke<br>
<br>
***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>
Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot@adelphia.net] <br>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:55 PM<br>
To: Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless"<br>
Ordinance<br>
<br>
Mrs. Lund, why is that when the CC critics and their various
"progressive" <br>
buddies along with their hand picked (and paid for) city council people<br>
attempt to impose their will on a collective <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>, in the form of NSA/CC<br>
harassment, unionization of city employees or anti-growth measures, it's<br>
democracy at work but when A decency ordinance is passed, with the support<br>
of several local congregations and five non CC council members, an ordinance<br>
that is similar to many others across the nation, it's "ridiculous and<br>
reactionary," and a case of ramming through bad law and using undo
pressure<br>
as well as contributory to making <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
a laughing stock? And all because<br>
of Doug Wilson? I seem to sense a serious double standard at work here. <br>
Again.<br>
<br>
I also really don't recall there being a feeling of desperation in the air<br>
when Ord. 2002-13 was enacted and am certain that a lynch mob mentality was<br>
not at work. To refer to goings on surrounding the enactment of the topless<br>
ordinance as a sacrificial crisis is to grossly overstate matters in an<br>
attempt to make a tenuous, to the point of nonexistent argument. If the<br>
majority of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
truly feels that they were "steamrolled," it should be<br>
fairly easy to have this odious piece of law making repealed. Perhaps you'll<br>
have citizen/councilman Ament bring this urgent matter up at the next<br>
council meeting? Maybe Mr. Stout would like to champion this important cause<br>
for you? Remember what happens if good people do nothing.<br>
<br>
gc<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Saundra Lund" <br>
<sslund @adelphia.net="">To: <br>
<vision2020 @moscow.com="">Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:42 AM<br>
Subject: [Vision2020] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
Ordinance 2002-13 aka The "Topless" Ordinance<br>
<br>
<br>
> Visionaries:<br>
><br>
> I got an email today from a friend who worked with the group which tried <br>
> to<br>
> overturn <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>'s
ridiculous and reactionary topless ordinance that was<br>
> rammed through due to pressure from the <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType> "<st1:place w:st="on">PAC.</st1:place>"<br>
><br>
> My friend sent me a link to an entry on Doug Wilson's blog and thought it<br>
> did an excellent job of explaining the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>'s
role in that mess<br>
> that steamrolled over the beliefs of the majority of our community:<br>
><br>
> "Those who stir up strife in towns, churches, cities, or nations are <br>
> trying<br>
> to create a situation when everyone will get to a point of desperation, <br>
> and<br>
> then try to resolve the problem with some kind of dramatic action. That<br>
> dramatic action is sudden, forceful, fascinating, and its effects are very<br>
> potent . . . and temporary.<br>
><br>
> This is why mobs function the way they do. This is how lynching occurs. .<br>
> .But it is a pseudo-salvation. It is a lie. When this kind of person<br>
> succeeds in stirring up a sacrificial crisis, he gets the mob, or the <br>
> crowd,<br>
> or the presbytery, or the congregation, as the case may be, whipped up <br>
> into<br>
> a sacrificial crisis and ready for a dramatic solution to all the trouble.<br>
<br>
> "<br>
>
http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2510<br>
><br>
> Indeed.<br>
><br>
> A law was passed that AFAIK to this day has *never* been enforced. <br>
> However,<br>
> it did manage to make <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place> a national laughing stock
:-(<br>
><br>
> I have to agree with my friend . . . and I also have to wonder why <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City><br>
> doesn't see himself in his own words :-(<br>
><br>
><br>
> Saundra Lund<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">ID</st1:State></st1:place><br>
><br>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>
> nothing.<br>
> - Edmund Burke<br>
><br>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>
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