One hour parking downtown? Humm, nothing like inhaling food when out on a date at a downtown restaurant. I won't bring up the fact that movies and plays are are longer, they could come back and watch the second half at another showing. I suppose you want me to pay more taxes to enforce more regulations too? <br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br> <br><br><b><i>Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Nils, thanks for the courteous and thoughtful response.<br><br>I agree with Bill Parks' analysis of the issue; I think your idea for one <br>hour parking in parts of the downtown core is also a good starting point for <br>the discussion on how to solve some of the parking issue; and I agree with <br>you that longer term lots as a solution for the employees who have to play <br>"move the car" games several times a day is another good
idea.<br><br>Good morning, fine sir!<br><br>Bruce Livingston<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Nils Peterson" <nils_peterson @wsu.edu=""><br>To: "Bruce and Jean Livingston" <jeanlivingston @turbonet.com="">; <br><vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:57 AM<br>Subject: Where's the parking<br><br><br>| On 6/27/06 11:33 PM, "Bruce and Jean Livingston"<br>| <jeanlivingston @turbonet.com=""> wrote:<br>|<br>| > To cross reference this to our earlier discussion, many, probably most,<br>| > myself included, would support the redevelopment of the grain elevators <br>on<br>| > the edge of downtown. Simply asking questions about "where's the <br>parking"<br>| > is wise planning, rather than blindly re-zoning the property and <br>eliminating<br>| > parking requirements, only to discover parking problems later. Asking <br>these<br>| > questions need not be divisive, and the questions ought not be thought <br>to be<br>| >
out-of-place or irrelevant. Other experiences have demonstrated that<br>| > parking is an issue downtown, and it is an issue from there to the<br>| > University. Ignoring real parking concerns so that we can be "pro <br>growth no<br>| > matter the costs" by giving the developer everything he or she requests <br>is<br>| > unwise and foolish.<br>|<br>|<br>| Thanks Bruce for this thoughtful reply.<br>|<br>| I agree asking about the parking is wise planning. P&Z was moving to <br>propose<br>| Beebe develop a 'parking mitigation' plan. That seemed like a plausible <br>path<br>| to me, a way to raise the question of parking at the rezone stage, but <br>since<br>| the rezone did not discuss uses, allow the solution to be brought forward <br>at<br>| the building permit stage. It looked like a way to finesse the separation <br>we<br>| now enjoy of zoning from other hearings, eg CUP/PUD.<br>|<br>| But without agreement on the nature of the parking problem(s) it may
be<br>| difficult to agree on the nature of an acceptable mitigation, so I was<br>| attempting to start these threads on parking to get an analysis of what <br>the<br>| parking problem is, such that its solution could be better designed.<br>|<br>| We got distracted by developer bashing and then bashing one another. <br>Sorry.<br>|<br>| Bill Parks thinks there are 3 parking problems, "impulse" parking (to <br>shop);<br>| employee parking, and downtown resident parking. If so, three solutions<br>| might be needed. And they might not involve on-site parking. It may also <br>be<br>| that downtown parking is used by students unwilling to pay for UI <br>parking --<br>| I don't know Bill's thought on that -- but that could be a fourth problem.<br>|<br>| Philip Cook added an interesting item to the conversation with his pointer<br>| to the High Cost of Free Parking (At first I thought this might be a spoof<br>| on a similarly titled video about an infamous retailer, but its at
the<br>| American Planning Association website and the first chapter is an<br>| interesting read -- if not the common wisdom.)<br>|<br>| The Idaho Smart Growth scorecard (<br>| <br>http://www.idahosmartgrowth.org/projects/scorecards/SmartGrowthScorecard-Com<br>| mercialDevelopment.pdf) provides some help, suggesting on-street parking <br>is<br>| important, and that off street parking be behind or screened from the<br>| street. From that one might conclude that employee/resident parking is one<br>| kind of problem, to be addressed onsite, and visitor/shopper (impulse)<br>| parking is to be addressed on the street.<br>|<br>| That leads me to the thought that 3-hour parking downtown might be part of<br>| our problem. Perhaps CBD street parking should be one hour, and some other<br>| lots handle longer-term parking.<br>|<br>| I understand we'll have a chance to continue this discussion in July when<br>| Gritman brings forward a rezone for land it owns south of Jackson. I
don't<br>| know what they will seek, General Business or CBD.<br>|<br>|<br>|<br>|<br>| <br><br><br>=====================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>====================================================<br></jeanlivingston></vision2020></jeanlivingston></nils_peterson></blockquote><br><p> __________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com