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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>John D Writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael <metzler@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
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> I’m assuming this is meant to only be funny.<br>
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No, not really. I'm curious to know how you can literally believe in a document
that is not even internally consistent.<br>
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How do you explain the previously listed inconsistencies?<br>
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-June/031444.html</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Me:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Well, I still think this is primarily meant to be funny. But I’ll go along:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied about snakes eating dust (Genesis 3:14).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Isn’t this metaphorical?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied when saying that Jacob would no longer be called Jacob (Genesis 32:28), because he later called him Jacob himself (Genesis 46:2).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I would imagine that this would have been a Hebrew phrase meaning that Jacob’s name was to be changed, or that Jacob would now be given a second new name. I doubt this was not meant to be a prophetic utterance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied when he said that bats are birds (Leviticus 11:11-19).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <a
href="http://tolweb.org/tree?group=Chiroptera&contgroup=Eutheria">http://tolweb.org/tree?group=Chiroptera&contgroup=Eutheria</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Different linguistic cultures always cut up the world in slightly different ways. What is a bush for one group might be a tree for another. There is no error here, just a different typology than our current scientific one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied when he said insects have four legs (Leviticus 11:23).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This is not what is stated: rather insects are “four-footed” those that “walked on all fours.” Quantitative precision is not the meaning of these two phrases. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied when he said that Abraham didn't know the name Jehovah (Exodus 6:3), because Abraham named a place after Jehovah (Genesis 22:14).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Ex. 6:3 is a formal use of YHWH, where as Abraham merely called a place YHWH-jirah, “The Lord Will Provide.” God did not say Abraham did not know the name “YHWH.” God said he did not call himself by this name; he did not make himself known by this formal use of YHWY, which is true.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied when he said that he did not give instructions for burnt offerings (Jeremiah 7:22), because he gave many instructions in Exodus.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This is what Jeremiah actually says: “For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">land</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Egypt</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> God lied when he said that the city of <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Tyre</st1:City></st1:place> would be destroyed and never inhabited again (Ezekiel 26:21). It's now the fourth largest city in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Lebanon</st1:country-region></st1:place>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <a
href="http://tyros.leb.net/tyre/">http://tyros.leb.net/tyre/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>God is referring to the people (“you will never be found again”), not the piece of real estate. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> Jesus lied about mustard having the smallest seeds in the world and about them producing trees (Matthew 13:31-32, Mark 4:31).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Jesus would not have dazzled the crowd with new scientific information and facts about how men will one day walk on the moon. Rather, he would have simply spoken in terms of the received understanding at the time. Whether or not mustard seeds were the smallest seed or not was not even the point of the parable. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> Jesus lied when he said that no one asked him where he was going (John 16:5), because Peter asked him (John 13:36).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This one has got to be for the mere funny bone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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