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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>DJA,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thank you very much for your time in responding to my
concerns. This is very helpful. Some will disagree with you and some will
agree. But your expansive argumentation here provides enough information for
the independent, rational investigator at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Your Friend,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael,<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
<br>
"But what if Tom just said: “yes, <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:City></st1:place>
is a bad man, and so I use every opportunity to point out that his actual high
crimes are fully noted on Vision 20/20”? Would this make you
even? Hasn’t he already said as much?" <br>
<br>
If Tom said that I would be surprised, and it would show his intentions are to
attack <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>.
But he won't say his intent is to find things, whatever he can, and complain
about them to the public just for the sake of being cruel to Wilson.<br>
<br>
"Whereas I can sympathize with any concern about a liberal political
agenda driving criticism of the local fundamentalist pastor (not an uncommon
reality), the issues thus far have not been as simple as this; and <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
has been anything but fully cleared of many of the accusations." <br>
<br>
Your logic is again, twisted. He is not guilty until proved innocent of
whatever you decide to post about. It is not the job of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> to prove himself innocent of endless
accusations. And accusing someone of something different every month on a 24/7
basis and posting those accusations as fact is harassment. People have lives,
they cannot spend them defending every made up accusation that pops into the head
of any loser that has nothing better to do than post crap about people the
don't like online. <br>
<br>
"There are many conservative Christians, even locally, that believe all
general concerns about <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
are justified."<br>
<br>
That is because we have a group of bored people with no lives
spreading all sorts of misinformation around town, 24/7. <br>
<br>
"Given this, it seems slanderous to impute hypocrisy and these kinds of
motives to Tom Hansen."<br>
<br>
Not when he making stuff up to create concern over things that are not true.
Something must be untrue to be slanderous.<br>
<br>
"Tom’s web site full of primary documents. If Tom was a
hypocrite only concerned with rhetorical spin to get the public hyped up
irrationally, then why does he just plant primary documentary evidence for individual
scrutiny?"<br>
<br>
Well, Michael, the documents have NOTHING to with what he is accusing <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> of doing, or not
doing. Nobody is disputing Sitler is a convicted child molester. So to post
that information that anyone can get themselves anyway is rather pointless and
unsupportive of his accusations isn't it? He might as well be posting
Applebee's menu, it is just as irrelevant. But it does seem to impress you and
I would imagine it does others as well that aren't familiar with what evidence
is and is not. <br>
<br>
Your second paragraph states;<br>
<br>
"Here you claim that I have a website that spouts slanderous
information. However, even after a request from me that you kindly do so,
you have failed to give a single example of slanderous piece of information on
my web site. In other words, you have given no evidence that I have a
slanderous web site, which in turn gives evidence that the only person guilty
of slander is you."<br>
<br>
Michael, again, here you have it backwards. You are the one making the
accusations against <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>
and providing no proof, then demanding that everyone else prove your
accusations are incorrect or they are the ones lying. That is twisted. I have
already told you, as have others, that <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>
did discuss the Sitler issue at a Head of Household meeting. So to say he
didn't inform his congregation, is false. You refuse to accept that as being
the truth, because it undermines your entire attack on <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>. That is why I care not to engage in
discussing, or trying to find evidence against to counter any accusation that
pops into your head and decide to post. It would not convince you of the
truth. <br>
<br>
"The point is that Tom Hansen can be no more guilty than you in damaging
victims; your accusation against him is therefore incoherent. This is not
twisted and biased logic."<br>
<br>
That is indeed backwards. Tom Hansen used the tragic situation of a child being
harmed to launch another one of his unfounded, unbacked, and malicious attacks
against Doug Wilson.<br>
<br>
Now, I ask you, how would you like to be the parent of that child, and have
some idiot on Vision 2020 use that incident to make false accusations against
your religious leader that is helping you through the nightmare? You would feel
pretty screwed would you not? And you certainly could not say anything publicly
to the jerk because it would reveal the identity of your child as the victim,
would it not? Think about that. Think about what position you put those parents
in, just for a few minutes. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Michael
<metzler@moscow.com></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE>DJA,<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks for the reply.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You Write: While I agree I do have an agenda here that people not be
accused publicly of high crimes on Division 20/20, I am first, willing to admit
that is a concern of mine-unlike others on here that pretend something is a
concern when it really something else they are after.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Me:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I appreciate your candidness. But what if Tom just said:
“yes, <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City> is a bad man,
and so I use every opportunity to point out that his actual high crimes are
fully noted on Vision 20/20”? Would this make you even?
Hasn’t he already said as much? Whereas I can sympathize with any
concern about a liberal political agenda driving criticism of the local
fundamentalist pastor (not an uncommon reality), the issues thus far have not
been as simple as this; and <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
has been anything but fully cleared of many of the accusations. There are
many conservative Christians, even locally, that believe all general concerns
about <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City> are
justified. Given this, it seems slanderous to impute hypocrisy and these
kinds of motives to Tom Hansen. I’m just not sure I see sufficient
evidence for believing this; but I do see evidence for not believing this, such
as Tom’s web site full of primary documents. If Tom was a hypocrite
only concerned with rhetorical spin to get the public hyped up irrationally,
then why does he just plant primary documentary evidence for individual
scrutiny? The story you are trying to tell about Tom does not line up with some
of the basic facts as far as I can tell.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
You Write: Second, you are the one creating a website spouting slanderous
information, not me. I am forced to respond to it because apparently the
wannabe liberals on here that are too busy worrying about the rights of
terrorists and stopping sacramental wine from being distributed, don't care if
false and damaging information goes about a member of the community--or do and
are participating in it.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Me:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Here you claim that I have a website that spouts slanderous
information. However, even after a request from me that you kindly do so,
you have failed to give a single example of slanderous piece of information on
my web site. In other words, you have given no evidence that I have a
slanderous web site, which in turn gives evidence that the only person guilty
of slander is you. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
You Write: If you feel that my calling bull on the wannabe liberals for another
one of their misinformation and smear campaign is in anyway damaging the
victims of this horrible crime, then by all means, stop the smearing campaign,
and I will stop responding to the smears. I don't think that is so hard to
understand. But to say that if I don't let the whatever made up allegations fly
you want to make I am just dragging it out, is more twisted and biased logic.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Me:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The point is that Tom Hansen can be no more guilty than you in damaging
victims; your accusation against him is therefore incoherent. This is not
twisted and biased logic. And given that the last two people I defended
here on Vision 2020 were Greg Dickson and Doug Wilson, I do hope you will not
respond to this further suggesting that I “don't care if false and
damaging information goes about a member of the community.”<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you,<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Michael
<metzler@moscow.com></span></i></b> wrote: <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE>DJA,<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think that there would be a lot less discussion about Sitler if you
were not continuing this debate with multiple people; your interest here seems
to be your political agenda and your desire to defend <ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>.
Concern about the victims does not seem to interest you here. No matter
the issue or how robust the evidence, <ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
is innocent and his critics are immoral, no matter who they are (as my
biography illustrates): “And apparently, you will stop at
nothing, even when it comes to the most tragic events like this
one.” One important guideline for me in this is to encourage folks
not to talk about the victims at all and use them for their own argumentative
purposes—there is no reason they need to be brought up at all. I
therefore request that you would stop bringing up the victims, which is nothing
but continuing <ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>’s
unfortunate rhetorical defense. In your effort to reveal hypocrisy of Tom
Hansen, and long term ax you have to grind, you have in reality tried to
“politically capitalize on the actions of a pedophile.”
Perhaps you all have kicked a dead horse here enough. Unfortunately,
Wilson’s unnecessary and aggressive response to a mere public
announcement, his slanderous reviling of anyone who had anything to do with it
(including his implicit slander of the victims themselves), and his revealing
of private information about the victims in order to defend himself has caused
a simple public announcement to launch into a full controversy. I really
doubt <ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
needed the critical reflection of Tom Hansen to succeed at doing this. <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><O:P> </O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Tom,<br>
<br>
You need to go back and reread my previous post.<br>
<br>
There was a Head of Household meeting in which this issue was discussed. Do<br>
you understand that Hansen? Do you understand that the members of <ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME u1:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE></st1:PlaceName>
<ST1:PLACETYPE u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACETYPE u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE></st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
were informed. The public was informed through government channels, mainly, the
police. So stop saying they were not, it is a lie.<br>
<br>
Second, when I said if he said something publicly it would interfere with the
case, I was referring to BEFORE official charges were made, not after the
conviction. You were the one that was making a case about <ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
not releasing information that any citizen could have obtained at any time from
the court house.<br>
<br>
Thirdly, I find your attempts to try and exploit and politically capitalize on
the actions of a pedophile saddening.<br>
<br>
If your true concerns were for victim's of sexual predators, and not something
to try and use as a weapon on a political opponent, you would have been listing
all of the sexual predators in our community and surrounding areas, not just
ONE that no longer lives here. Your pretend concern for the community regarding
this issue, is laughable. You are only interested in one thing, advancing your
political agenda and attacking Doug Wilson, you will stop at nothing, even when
it comes to the most tragic of events like this one and at the behest of the
victim's family to stop. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Tom Hansen
<idahotom@hotmail.com></span></i></b> wrote: <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on">Arnold</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></span></font></st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>
- <br>
<br>
You really ought to go back and re-read your post.<br>
<br>
You claimed that any public announcement concerning Sitler would adversely
impact a locally ongoing investigation.<br>
<br>
Sitler made a plea agreement. In exchange for his plea of guilty, Sitler
was to receive a lighter sentence.<br>
<br>
Once all was said and done concerning Sitler's plea agreement, he became a convicted
pedophile. Now, tell us how making such an announcement public would
hinder an ongoing investigation, an investigation that would pretty much be
moot due to Sitler's conviction (BACK IN JULY of 2005).<br>
<br>
Concerning if/when <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:CITY u2:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>
was aware of certain facts . . . STAY TUNED . . . more forthcoming.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u2:st="on"><ST1:CITY u2:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE>,
<st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:STATE u1:st="on"><ST1:STATE u2:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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