Michael,<br> <br> You wrote:<br> <br> <font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">"But what if Tom just said: “yes, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> is a bad man, and so I use every opportunity to point out that his actual high crimes are fully noted on Vision 20/20”? Would this make you even? Hasn’t he already said as much?" <br> <br> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If Tom said that I would be surprised, and it would show his intentions are to attack Wilson. But he won't say his intent is to find things, whatever he can, and complain about them to the public just for the sake of being cruel to Wilson.</span></font><br> <font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> "Whereas I can sympathize with any concern about a liberal political agenda driving criticism of the local fundamentalist pastor
(not an uncommon reality), the issues thus far have not been as simple as this; and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> has been anything but fully cleared of many of the accusations." <br> <br> Your logic is again, twisted. He is not guilty until proved innocent of whatever you decide to post about. It is not the job of Wilson to prove himself innocent of endless accusations. And accusing someone of something different every month on a 24/7 basis and posting those accusations as fact is harassment. People have lives, they cannot spend them defending every made up accusation that pops into the head of any loser that has nothing better to do than post crap about people the don't like online. <br> <br> "There are many conservative Christians, even locally, that believe all general concerns about <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> are justified."<br> <br> That is because we have a group
of bored people with no lives spreading all sorts of misinformation around town, 24/7. <br> <br> "Given this, it seems slanderous to impute hypocrisy and these kinds of motives to Tom Hansen."<br> <br> Not when he making stuff up to create concern over things that are not true. Something must be untrue to be slanderous.<br> <br> "Tom’s web site full of primary documents. If Tom was a hypocrite only concerned with rhetorical spin to get the public hyped up irrationally, then why does he just plant primary documentary evidence for individual scrutiny?"<br> <br> Well, Michael, the documents have NOTHING to with what he is accusing Wilson of doing, or not doing. Nobody is disputing Sitler is a convicted child molester. So to post that information that anyone can get themselves anyway is rather pointless and unsupportive of his accusations isn't it? He might as well be posting Applebee's menu, it is just as irrelevant. But it does seem to
impress you and I would imagine it does others as well that aren't familiar with what evidence is and is not. <br> <br> Your second paragraph states;<br> <br> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">"Here you claim that I have a website that spouts slanderous information. However, even after a request from me that you kindly do so, you have failed to give a single example of slanderous piece of information on my web site. In other words, you have given no evidence that I have a slanderous web site, which in turn gives evidence that the only person guilty of slander is you."<br> <br> Michael, again, here you have it backwards. You are the one making the accusations against Wilson and providing no proof, then demanding that everyone else prove your accusations are incorrect or they are the ones lying. That is twisted. I have already told you, as have others, that Wilson did discuss the Sitler issue at a
Head of Household meeting. So to say he didn't inform his congregation, is false. You refuse to accept that as being the truth, because it undermines your entire attack on Wilson. That is why I care not to engage in discussing, or trying to find evidence against to counter any accusation that pops into your head and decide to post. It would not convince you of the truth. </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> <br> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">"The point is that Tom Hansen can be no more guilty than you in damaging victims; your accusation against him is therefore incoherent. This is not twisted and biased logic."<br> <br> That is indeed backwards. Tom Hansen used the tragic situation of a child being harmed to launch another one of his unfounded, unbacked, and malicious attacks against Doug Wilson.<br> <br> Now, I ask you, how would you like to
be the parent of that child, and have some idiot on Vision 2020 use that incident to make false accusations against your religious leader that is helping you through the nightmare? You would feel pretty screwed would you not? And you certainly could not say anything publicly to the jerk because it would reveal the identity of your child as the victim, would it not? Think about that. Think about what position you put those parents in, just for a few minutes. <br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font><br><b><i>Michael <metzler@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType
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class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">You Write: While I agree I do have an agenda here that people not be accused publicly of high crimes on Division 20/20, I am first, willing to admit that is a concern of mine-unlike others on here that pretend something is a concern when it really something else they are after.<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Me:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I appreciate your candidness. But what if Tom just said: “yes, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> is a bad man, and so I use every opportunity to point out that his actual high crimes are fully noted on Vision 20/20”? Would this make you even? Hasn’t he already said as much?
Whereas I can sympathize with any concern about a liberal political agenda driving criticism of the local fundamentalist pastor (not an uncommon reality), the issues thus far have not been as simple as this; and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> has been anything but fully cleared of many of the accusations. There are many conservative Christians, even locally, that believe all general concerns about <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> are justified. Given this, it seems slanderous to impute hypocrisy and these kinds of motives to Tom Hansen. I’m just not sure I see sufficient evidence for believing this; but I do see evidence for not believing this, such as Tom’s web site full of primary documents. If Tom was a hypocrite only concerned with rhetorical spin to get the public hyped up irrationally, then why does he just plant primary documentary evidence for
individual scrutiny? The story you are trying to tell about Tom does not line up with some of the basic facts as far as I can tell.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> You Write: Second, you are the one creating a website spouting slanderous information, not me. I am forced to respond to it because apparently the wannabe liberals on here that are too busy worrying about the rights of terrorists and stopping sacramental wine from being distributed, don't care if false and damaging information goes about a member of the community--or do and are participating in it.<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Me:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Here you claim that I have a website that spouts slanderous information. However, even after a request from me that you kindly do so, you have failed to give a single example of slanderous piece of information on my web site. In other words, you have given no evidence that I have a slanderous web site, which in turn gives evidence that the only person guilty of slander is you. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> You Write: If you feel that my calling bull on the wannabe liberals for another one of their misinformation and smear campaign is in anyway damaging the victims of this horrible crime, then by all means, stop the smearing
campaign, and I will stop responding to the smears. I don't think that is so hard to understand. But to say that if I don't let the whatever made up allegations fly you want to make I am just dragging it out, is more twisted and biased logic.<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Me:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The point is that Tom Hansen can be no more guilty than you in damaging victims; your accusation against him is therefore incoherent. This is not twisted and biased logic. And given that the last two people I defended here on Vision 2020 were Greg Dickson and Doug Wilson, I do hope you will not respond to this further suggesting that I “don't care if false and damaging information goes about a member of the community.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Michael<br> <br> <br> <br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Michael <metzler@moscow.com></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="State"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE>DJA,<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I think that there would be a lot less discussion about Sitler if you were not continuing this debate with multiple people; your interest here seems to be your political agenda and your desire to defend <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>. Concern about the victims does not seem to interest you here. No matter the issue or how robust the evidence, <ST1:CITY
u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> is innocent and his critics are immoral, no matter who they are (as my biography illustrates): “And apparently, you will stop at nothing, even when it comes to the most tragic events like this one.” One important guideline for me in this is to encourage folks not to talk about the victims at all and use them for their own argumentative purposes—there is no reason they need to be brought up at all. I therefore request that you would stop bringing up the victims, which is nothing but continuing <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>’s unfortunate rhetorical defense. In your effort to reveal hypocrisy of Tom Hansen, and long term ax you have to grind, you have in reality tried to “politically capitalize on the
actions of a pedophile.” Perhaps you all have kicked a dead horse here enough. Unfortunately, Wilson’s unnecessary and aggressive response to a mere public announcement, his slanderous reviling of anyone who had anything to do with it (including his implicit slander of the victims themselves), and his revealing of private information about the victims in order to defend himself has caused a simple public announcement to launch into a full controversy. I really doubt <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> needed the critical reflection of Tom Hansen to succeed at doing this. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O:P> </O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12pt;">Thank you<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Michael<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Tom,<br> <br> You need to go back and reread my previous post.<br> <br> There was a Head of Household meeting in which this issue was discussed. Do<br> you understand that Hansen? Do you understand that the members of <ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME u1:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> <ST1:PLACETYPE
u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE> were informed. The public was informed through government channels, mainly, the police. So stop saying they were not, it is a lie.<br> <br> Second, when I said if he said something publicly it would interfere with the case, I was referring to BEFORE official charges were made, not after the conviction. You were the one that was making a case about <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> not releasing information that any citizen could have obtained at any time from the court house.<br> <br> Thirdly, I find your attempts to try and exploit and politically capitalize on the actions of a pedophile saddening.<br> <br> If your true concerns were for victim's of sexual predators, and not something to try and use as a weapon on a political opponent, you would
have been listing all of the sexual predators in our community and surrounding areas, not just ONE that no longer lives here. Your pretend concern for the community regarding this issue, is laughable. You are only interested in one thing, advancing your political agenda and attacking Doug Wilson, you will stop at nothing, even when it comes to the most tragic of events like this one and at the behest of the victim's family to stop. <br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Tom Hansen <idahotom@hotmail.com></span></i></b> wrote: <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on">Arnold</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></span></font></st1:place></st1:City> - <br> <br> You really ought to go back and re-read your post.<br>
<br> You claimed that any public announcement concerning Sitler would adversely impact a locally ongoing investigation.<br> <br> Sitler made a plea agreement. In exchange for his plea of guilty, Sitler was to receive a lighter sentence.<br> <br> Once all was said and done concerning Sitler's plea agreement, he became a convicted pedophile. Now, tell us how making such an announcement public would hinder an ongoing investigation, an investigation that would pretty much be moot due to Sitler's conviction (BACK IN JULY of 2005).<br> <br> Concerning if/when <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on">Wilson</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City> was aware of certain facts . . . STAY TUNED . . . more forthcoming.<br> <br> Tom Hansen<br> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:CITY u1:st="on">Moscow</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE>, <st1:State
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