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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I appreciate Michael's
comments, although I find myself more in agreement with J Ford. Fidelity
to Christ and Scripture requires submission, all of us to one another --
regardless of gender, race, or any other construct that a fallen world uses to
divide us. Submission based on patriarchy is non-Biblical and is not the
submission of two Spirit-led individuals to one another, but an exercise in
oppression. Nothing more, nothing less.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree with this.
I’m not sure what I said that you are taking issue with. But if I were to
put forth a view on “submission,” I would just say that those many
New Testament passages that talk about this are speaking to the relationship
between a particular wife and a particular husband; the New Testament says
nothing about submission of women to men, which would be sexist. Paul did
not think a wife should submit to her husband because of patriarchical norms,
but because this relationship mirrored the relationship between Jesus and the
church. “Submission” is just a word, and we should be careful
to define it according to the content of the New Testament and not contemporary
political talk. But in doing this, we still find the English word a fine
translation of the greek (as far as I know). I’ve personally never
heard a conservative exegete argue that wives don’t have a more unique
role of submission to their husbands; I’ve always seen the debate focused
on just what it means for wives to uniquely submit to husbands, a way that
demarcates itself functionally, in some way, from how all are to submit to one
another equally. Also consider Paul’s assertion that the man is the
head of the woman the way the Father is head of Christ. In one sense the Son
submits to the Father in a way that the Father does not submit to the
Son. The foundations of Orthodoxy require that we do not believe that all
kinds of “submission” entail oppression. The opposite
is the case: ultimate reality, the ultimate good, eternally involves
submission. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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