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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I’d prefer Heather to come back and continue this on her own, and
I’m nervous saying anything about this topic now since I don’t have
the time to ride a long discussion about it; but I would agree with Heather
here. However, there was something profound that happened to the legitimacy of “roles”
2000 years ago when a wild Jew started traveling the <st1:place w:st="on">Roman
Empire</st1:place> saying that there is no longer a distinction between
slave/free, greek/barbarian, woman/man. In defense of traditional values,
Christians often loose sight of the bigger picture and how unique the
origination of their ‘religion’ really was. And appeal to the
ontological status of the nature of man and woman is limited for the
conservative since a Pauline world is a new world and one in constant change
and recreation. But I do think that in some respects, Doug Wilson can be
seen as a friend to the social liberal given what tradition and larger
community he is speaking from. Wilson has fought for a rediscovery of that
strong and educated American woman of the 1800s, and he has done this in the
midst of a reaction to extreme feminism in Christian circles (what we might call
the prairie muffin problem).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>“Roles” between men and women cannot be considered
independently of other social “roles” however, and we were free to abandon
these other roles: royalty/peasant, caste placement, racism/slavery etc. So I
think this is a tricky topic. This also doesn’t get us very far in
talking about “submission.” Having different roles does not logically
require submission. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mr. London,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think our disagreement
is about the fundamental nature of reality which would make any post from me
hopelessly inadequate. Personally, because I embrace the world the Apostle Paul
describes, I think my husband and I relate to each other in such a way that
maximizes our potential. G.K. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Chesterton sums up my
thoughts better than I can in his poem "Comparisons"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If I set the sun beside
the moon,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>And if I set the land
beside the sea,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>And if I set the town
beside the country, And if I set the man beside the woman, I suppose some fool
would talk about one being better<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Different roles,
different strengths, does not mean different values. While I can't make any
promises, if any one feels so inclined I'd be happy to try and answer questions
off list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers, hasta la pasta,
peace out, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Heather (now
unsubscribing) <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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